Finding the Meaning of Life with Rafe - FFS #91

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,776 I do think I have good meaning for life. 2 00:00:02,776 --> 00:00:05,257 It's just that I feel like things are way too easy. 3 00:00:05,354 --> 00:00:09,985 I had this thought in my mind, years ago, that would be like really awesome to work 4 00:00:09,985 --> 00:00:13,585 on Bitcoin things and not really have to have, a fiat job Well, I got that. 5 00:00:13,633 --> 00:00:16,845 Then I also realized when I got a little bit deeper into Bitcoin stuff 6 00:00:16,845 --> 00:00:20,851 that I really want to, focus on doing something really, really meaningful. 7 00:00:21,022 --> 00:00:23,919 And I, feel like working on Bitcoin and especially like 8 00:00:23,938 --> 00:00:25,465 working on Bitcoin privacy. 9 00:00:25,556 --> 00:00:29,923 is probably one of the most urgent things that we should be working on 10 00:01:38,345 --> 00:01:40,265 Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show. 11 00:01:40,535 --> 00:01:43,935 Today's guest is our good friend Rafe from Wasabi. 12 00:01:44,295 --> 00:01:46,095 And this is the second time on the show. 13 00:01:46,095 --> 00:01:49,045 If you want an introduction to Rafe and everything that he's up 14 00:01:49,045 --> 00:01:50,955 to, check out the first episode. 15 00:01:50,975 --> 00:01:54,165 But today we want to talk about anything and everything. 16 00:01:54,165 --> 00:01:57,225 So, Rafe, welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show. 17 00:01:57,235 --> 00:01:58,185 Great to have you as always. 18 00:01:59,217 --> 00:01:59,507 Luke. 19 00:01:59,577 --> 00:02:00,487 Thank you, Knut. 20 00:02:00,817 --> 00:02:04,277 Like, it's also like, really awesome to be talking with you guys again. 21 00:02:04,811 --> 00:02:08,911 Yeah, great to have you back, uh, uh, Rafael, and, uh, you're already 22 00:02:08,911 --> 00:02:10,521 on Madeira, as we understand it. 23 00:02:10,970 --> 00:02:15,250 yeah, there's this sovereign engineering cohort, uh, that has been going on over 24 00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:17,670 here, like, already for like, 6 weeks. 25 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,100 I mean, I just came in, uh, like, 2 weeks ago, but it's really, really awesome. 26 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:27,890 Like, there's, you know, like, 25 Nostr and Bitcoin builders basically in here 27 00:02:27,890 --> 00:02:31,240 just creating havoc and, you know, trying to orange pill the whole island. 28 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,770 And I mean, it's actually going pretty well. 29 00:02:35,143 --> 00:02:35,923 Uh, fantastic. 30 00:02:35,923 --> 00:02:38,343 It's Gigi and Pablo's project, right? 31 00:02:38,853 --> 00:02:41,833 Uh, yes, yes, they are mainly running it. 32 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:44,644 Yeah, sounds, sounds absolutely fantastic. 33 00:02:44,886 --> 00:02:47,896 Yeah, I mean, this is a really nice paradise island, so like, if 34 00:02:47,896 --> 00:02:51,026 you can take a little bit of your time to come over here before the 35 00:02:51,026 --> 00:02:53,846 conference or to stay after it, I think it's going to be worth it. 36 00:02:54,061 --> 00:02:54,511 yeah. 37 00:02:55,091 --> 00:02:56,561 Uh, and you. 38 00:02:57,201 --> 00:03:01,201 You have a bunch of topics that you want to talk to us about today, and I looked 39 00:03:01,201 --> 00:03:04,741 through the notes there, and it sounds really, really interesting, so I think 40 00:03:04,741 --> 00:03:10,421 we can just start getting into stuff here, because, like, these are topics 41 00:03:10,421 --> 00:03:14,831 that just excite me by just reading them. 42 00:03:14,951 --> 00:03:19,481 So, the first point on that list is censorship, and I guess 43 00:03:19,731 --> 00:03:23,931 Uh, or no, the first point is it doesn't not matter who I am. 44 00:03:24,121 --> 00:03:27,251 Um, all right, I'll, I'll take it away, Rafa. 45 00:03:29,028 --> 00:03:32,548 I mean, this is the first thing of like, you know, it doesn't matter who I am. 46 00:03:32,688 --> 00:03:35,158 It's just the thing that I've always wanted to say. 47 00:03:35,158 --> 00:03:39,518 And I always wonder, like, you know, How, I mean, it's totally normal that in 48 00:03:39,518 --> 00:03:42,748 every podcast you're being asked, like, you know, who you are and what do you do? 49 00:03:42,828 --> 00:03:47,358 It's an important context for the viewer or the listener, but it's also 50 00:03:47,358 --> 00:03:51,178 something that a little bit bothers me that no one is actually saying it out 51 00:03:51,178 --> 00:03:54,388 loud, or at least I haven't heard it whenever they are asked that question, 52 00:03:54,588 --> 00:03:56,328 that it doesn't matter who I am. 53 00:03:56,728 --> 00:03:57,858 Like, whatever 54 00:03:58,008 --> 00:03:58,328 Rafa? 55 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:00,260 well, that's the thing. 56 00:04:00,330 --> 00:04:04,287 I'm still kind of figuring it out, but, the point is basically 57 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:07,465 that, like, what I'm saying is the thing that should matter. 58 00:04:07,585 --> 00:04:10,095 It's not really about who I am or who is saying it. 59 00:04:10,415 --> 00:04:13,495 Like, if the things that I'm saying out there, like, if they make sense. 60 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,520 That's the only thing to care about. 61 00:04:15,590 --> 00:04:18,290 Who said it or where or when or something like that. 62 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,360 I mean, it might help you to get a little bit more of that similar 63 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,000 type of content or something, but in general, people should not be looking 64 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,980 into like, you know, some kind of titles or, or anything like that. 65 00:04:29,509 --> 00:04:31,339 No, no, no, I, I, I totally agree. 66 00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:32,629 It's an ego dropping thing. 67 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,049 And this is one of the most refreshing things about the 68 00:04:36,049 --> 00:04:41,479 Bitcoin space in comparison to the fiat space that, that I know. 69 00:04:41,489 --> 00:04:44,809 Like when I started working in an office and fiat job. 70 00:04:45,409 --> 00:04:51,559 Like, before I, I had a title, or like, before I climbed the hierarchy 71 00:04:51,559 --> 00:04:55,969 ladders, uh, before I started climbing them, like, no one was listening to me. 72 00:04:56,554 --> 00:05:00,214 Because it's all about like, uh, titles and, and stuff. 73 00:05:00,924 --> 00:05:03,434 And I think a lot of institutions are that way too. 74 00:05:03,464 --> 00:05:08,184 So, so like, um, but Bitcoin is, it's so refreshing because like, everything that 75 00:05:08,184 --> 00:05:13,264 matters is ideas and merits and like, it's, it's a true meritocracy in that way. 76 00:05:13,774 --> 00:05:16,604 People don't really care about your back, background as long as 77 00:05:16,604 --> 00:05:17,864 you have something clever to say. 78 00:05:17,864 --> 00:05:20,104 And like, Satoshi is the prime example of that. 79 00:05:20,124 --> 00:05:24,374 Like, nobody even knows if he has a master's degree or If it's 80 00:05:24,374 --> 00:05:28,614 flipping burgers, or if it was flipping burgers, and nobody cares 81 00:05:28,644 --> 00:05:30,194 because the idea was good enough. 82 00:05:30,704 --> 00:05:33,301 Is that what you're thinking of when you say it doesn't matter who I am? 83 00:05:33,665 --> 00:05:34,725 Yes, exactly. 84 00:05:34,775 --> 00:05:38,675 And it's just like, you know, I'm really glad that Luke, now you basically just 85 00:05:38,685 --> 00:05:42,575 gave me exactly like, you know, the good introduction where I don't have to go 86 00:05:42,575 --> 00:05:46,235 ahead and try to even explain like, you know, who I am or what I do or anything, 87 00:05:46,505 --> 00:05:50,165 just like in Twitter, I just have in my bio, like, I'm just another pleb. 88 00:05:50,315 --> 00:05:51,505 Like, it doesn't really matter. 89 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:54,430 But yeah, this was just like, you know, a small nuance that 90 00:05:54,430 --> 00:05:55,550 I wanted to throw out there. 91 00:05:55,550 --> 00:05:58,810 Like, if, you know, Luke would be asking me to introduce myself. 92 00:05:59,743 --> 00:06:05,078 Yeah, there's, there's been and forth, like people in Bitcoin have different 93 00:06:05,078 --> 00:06:09,023 opinions on The role of the ego. 94 00:06:09,183 --> 00:06:12,043 So some people want us to drop our egos completely. 95 00:06:12,353 --> 00:06:17,502 And there's a, there's a very good reason for doing that because most of 96 00:06:17,502 --> 00:06:22,342 the time your ego is what's actually hindering you from getting ahead in life. 97 00:06:22,722 --> 00:06:27,052 Like being shy is just as much of an ego thing as being. 98 00:06:27,674 --> 00:06:32,634 narcissistic in a way, because if you're shy, that's also a vanity thing. 99 00:06:32,724 --> 00:06:38,984 Like you're not giving the world the parts of you that you could give away. 100 00:06:38,994 --> 00:06:41,284 Like you could, you could be more open. 101 00:06:41,284 --> 00:06:42,164 You could be more. 102 00:06:42,564 --> 00:06:45,164 But for, for egotistical reasons, you're not. 103 00:06:45,184 --> 00:06:49,474 So, so I think like, uh, there's more to dropping your ego than 104 00:06:49,474 --> 00:06:51,184 just not being a narcissist. 105 00:06:52,458 --> 00:06:55,948 um, then, then you have people like Svetsky, for instance, arguing 106 00:06:55,948 --> 00:06:57,948 for that ego is a very good thing. 107 00:06:57,988 --> 00:07:02,128 And it's a, it's a powerful force in people and it should 108 00:07:02,138 --> 00:07:03,878 be embraced rather than dropped. 109 00:07:03,908 --> 00:07:06,808 So what, what are your views on ego in general? 110 00:07:07,684 --> 00:07:09,204 I mean, that's a very good question. 111 00:07:09,224 --> 00:07:12,254 And I mean, I kind of totally understand both points of view. 112 00:07:12,464 --> 00:07:19,804 Um, like it's, at least for me personally, I try to totally exactly like kill my ego 113 00:07:19,804 --> 00:07:25,084 every now and then, uh, because I feel like it makes me think a bit more clear. 114 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:30,829 Like, I mean, maybe this is a good segue to, to kind of like the, the topic 115 00:07:30,849 --> 00:07:34,069 of, you know, human relationships and like, you know, how our brains work. 116 00:07:34,619 --> 00:07:42,979 Uh, but at least in my opinion, ego is kind of like a part of the automatic self. 117 00:07:43,139 --> 00:07:47,639 So there's this book, uh, that I might have mentioned to you guys 118 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:49,569 before thinking fast and slow. 119 00:07:50,014 --> 00:07:55,467 Which is really, really, really, like, worth reading, but it basically gives 120 00:07:55,507 --> 00:07:59,827 out this, like, idea, or at least how I took it was that it's not really 121 00:07:59,827 --> 00:08:03,437 about, like, you know, humans being fully conscious or, like, 100 percent 122 00:08:03,447 --> 00:08:08,757 all the time there, it's that it's, We have just a glimpse of consciousness and 123 00:08:08,767 --> 00:08:13,717 majority of our time, majority of our actions and our day basically goes just 124 00:08:13,717 --> 00:08:17,107 like through automation, just through our habits, just like with animals. 125 00:08:17,457 --> 00:08:20,987 There's just these, let's say like 5 percent of the time we get this 126 00:08:21,007 --> 00:08:23,597 glimpse of consciousness where we actually think of like, you know, 127 00:08:23,597 --> 00:08:27,957 what, like we can think back or, uh, like look forward or, or whatever. 128 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:29,467 Uh, I kind of feel like. 129 00:08:30,307 --> 00:08:34,497 Well, ego is a bit more of those, like, automation related things. 130 00:08:34,897 --> 00:08:40,629 It's kind of, you are building up this, like, small story of yourself and what 131 00:08:40,649 --> 00:08:42,729 you are and what you do over here. 132 00:08:43,209 --> 00:08:47,569 And, I mean, you can think of it consciously, too, but it's just 133 00:08:47,579 --> 00:08:51,649 something that, like, automation basically, like, activates the ego 134 00:08:51,909 --> 00:08:55,829 and pushes you to move into certain directions or make certain decisions. 135 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:58,519 And I think it is important. 136 00:08:59,052 --> 00:09:05,032 but I myself personally, like I would, I would want to focus on just the like 137 00:09:05,032 --> 00:09:08,072 cognitive side and actually thinking things through without like, you 138 00:09:08,072 --> 00:09:12,652 know, just the personal lens of mine, which of course is important too, but 139 00:09:13,123 --> 00:09:17,853 Yeah, it's a hard, it's a hard thing to do though, to be as objective as possible. 140 00:09:18,468 --> 00:09:25,168 But I guess, like, we have minds, all three of us, that like doing 141 00:09:25,168 --> 00:09:30,248 that, I mean, we wouldn't be into mathematics and praxeology and stuff 142 00:09:30,258 --> 00:09:34,278 if we didn't, we wouldn't, we probably wouldn't be bitcoiners, I think 143 00:09:34,278 --> 00:09:40,328 that's sort of prerequisite, uh, for Mo for, for real Bitcoin curiosity. 144 00:09:40,328 --> 00:09:41,589 Uh, at least, Yeah. 145 00:09:42,369 --> 00:09:43,539 Dan Daniel Kahneman. 146 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,779 Was that the guy, Daniel Kahneman? 147 00:09:46,779 --> 00:09:49,059 Was that the, the, uh, the guy who wrote the book? 148 00:09:49,059 --> 00:09:49,359 Right? 149 00:09:50,099 --> 00:09:53,429 I, I think I read half that book, but it was a long, long time ago. 150 00:09:54,044 --> 00:09:57,489 So, uh, uh, I'll have to reread it sometime. 151 00:09:57,907 --> 00:10:02,457 yeah, and it's also kind of like hard to read or I mean, I, I tend to listen to it 152 00:10:02,457 --> 00:10:05,847 like in, you know, audio books, but that book was something where I actually had 153 00:10:05,847 --> 00:10:09,817 to take like a pen and paper and like, you know, write some things and numbers down. 154 00:10:09,817 --> 00:10:11,197 So I actually understand the. 155 00:10:11,197 --> 00:10:11,512 Yeah. 156 00:10:11,592 --> 00:10:16,262 The examples and, you know, things that the book had over there, but it's to me, 157 00:10:16,262 --> 00:10:20,602 at least it's definitely like one of the most powerful books that I've read, like 158 00:10:20,642 --> 00:10:25,632 understanding human biases and what we're kind of like, you know, like programmed 159 00:10:25,642 --> 00:10:28,822 to do as just another life form. 160 00:10:29,621 --> 00:10:31,891 you just give us, tell us more about that? 161 00:10:31,901 --> 00:10:33,981 Like, more about what you learned there? 162 00:10:34,377 --> 00:10:39,899 So, um, I mean, the book is about basically, well, at least how I took it. 163 00:10:40,579 --> 00:10:43,809 I mean, many people seem to have a little bit different ideas about, like, what 164 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:44,999 the book is trying to say over there. 165 00:10:45,424 --> 00:10:50,194 Uh, but at least to me, it's kind of like, you know, uh, acknowledging how there is 166 00:10:50,194 --> 00:10:54,124 basically like two selves in our heads. 167 00:10:54,214 --> 00:10:58,534 Uh, you know, like there's the, the automated self, which is basically 168 00:10:58,534 --> 00:11:02,704 like, you know, just animal instincts and like emotions and just reactions. 169 00:11:03,269 --> 00:11:07,209 And then there is like exactly this, like, you know, smaller cognitive 170 00:11:07,209 --> 00:11:11,019 side, like, and it's kind of like the one that can actually think, you 171 00:11:11,019 --> 00:11:13,989 know, in the past, and it can look into the future, look into the, like, 172 00:11:13,989 --> 00:11:16,169 the current situation and everything. 173 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:21,129 It's the one that kind of like, the most people seem to be thinking 174 00:11:21,129 --> 00:11:23,039 that that's their own, like, self. 175 00:11:23,791 --> 00:11:27,291 uh, but it's like the book is basically saying that, you know, for a majority 176 00:11:27,291 --> 00:11:31,381 of the things that you're doing, uh, throughout the day, it's not really that 177 00:11:31,391 --> 00:11:34,471 you have cognitively decided to do so. 178 00:11:34,581 --> 00:11:38,811 Like, for example, if I smoke a cigarette, majority of the time, it's just automated. 179 00:11:38,811 --> 00:11:40,541 Like, it's something that triggered me. 180 00:11:40,846 --> 00:11:43,596 Like, you know, to actually do the move of like reaching out 181 00:11:43,596 --> 00:11:45,716 to my pocket and grabbing a cigarette or something like that. 182 00:11:46,006 --> 00:11:48,986 And I kind of realized it only after I'm halfway through the cigarette, 183 00:11:48,986 --> 00:11:50,356 like, why am I smoking this? 184 00:11:50,356 --> 00:11:51,266 Like, how did this happen? 185 00:11:51,726 --> 00:11:55,766 You know, like I am, let's say like, you know, running, um, like driving 186 00:11:55,766 --> 00:11:59,686 in, in traffic or like, you know, with the car, that's usually something 187 00:11:59,686 --> 00:12:04,016 also that first, when it's a new thing to you, you have to activate your 188 00:12:04,026 --> 00:12:07,296 cognitive side to actually remember, like, you know, how do you drive a car? 189 00:12:07,296 --> 00:12:09,496 Like, especially if it has like, you know, shifts and everything. 190 00:12:09,846 --> 00:12:13,496 Like, that's very cumbersome and, like, it takes a lot of energy. 191 00:12:13,766 --> 00:12:17,676 So we try to save this cognitive side and not use it for the most of the time. 192 00:12:17,906 --> 00:12:21,926 We try to always, like, use it as, like, you know, little as possible and then 193 00:12:21,976 --> 00:12:24,056 pass the task to the automated side. 194 00:12:24,386 --> 00:12:28,196 So, for example, with a car, we have probably all been in there, 195 00:12:28,216 --> 00:12:30,876 like, you know, seen or felt the situation where you're driving. 196 00:12:31,136 --> 00:12:34,744 You go through, like, uh, some kind of traffic lights or something. 197 00:12:35,369 --> 00:12:38,409 You pass them, but you wonder after that, like, was it even green? 198 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:40,538 Like, what was the color of that? 199 00:12:40,539 --> 00:12:43,579 Like, you know, it's just your automation basically handled 200 00:12:43,579 --> 00:12:46,969 that task and your cognitive side never had to even like wake up. 201 00:12:47,707 --> 00:12:52,419 but yeah, it also kind of like talks about how there is a lot of these like 202 00:12:52,429 --> 00:12:54,999 biases basically like built into us. 203 00:12:54,999 --> 00:12:58,889 Like, you know, of course we have all kinds of like confirmation biases. 204 00:12:58,889 --> 00:13:02,559 We don't want to, or like, it's easier for us to try to look for 205 00:13:02,569 --> 00:13:04,199 information that kind of like, you know. 206 00:13:04,930 --> 00:13:09,790 Confirms our expectations, our thoughts, our wants than to actually see it like, 207 00:13:09,790 --> 00:13:14,650 you know, very realistically, all the actual research and, you know, the 208 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:16,390 things also pointing how we are wrong. 209 00:13:17,277 --> 00:13:21,247 yeah, I think you'd just love our episode with Volker Herminghaus 210 00:13:21,257 --> 00:13:22,757 from a couple of weeks back. 211 00:13:22,872 --> 00:13:27,392 It's about consciousness and free will, and if we have it or not, and like, 212 00:13:27,402 --> 00:13:32,957 where does it come from, and how we can't really It can't really be our 213 00:13:32,957 --> 00:13:38,467 conscious side of the brain that has the free will, because it has a delay of 0. 214 00:13:38,597 --> 00:13:39,997 3 seconds. 215 00:13:40,387 --> 00:13:43,187 So when you think you're making a decision, the decision has 216 00:13:43,207 --> 00:13:49,392 already been made for you by your brain, like, before you Before 217 00:13:49,392 --> 00:13:51,572 you consciously make the decision. 218 00:13:51,672 --> 00:13:52,932 So where is the decision? 219 00:13:52,982 --> 00:13:55,132 And how could the decision even be made? 220 00:13:55,132 --> 00:14:00,862 Like, wouldn't the synapses have to go back and forth in time in order for there 221 00:14:00,862 --> 00:14:02,752 to actually be such a thing as free will? 222 00:14:03,112 --> 00:14:05,722 So yeah, very interesting topics indeed. 223 00:14:06,712 --> 00:14:07,022 Yeah. 224 00:14:07,022 --> 00:14:10,472 And that's the thing, like, the free will part is also something 225 00:14:10,472 --> 00:14:11,942 that the book touches a bit. 226 00:14:11,952 --> 00:14:12,242 So. 227 00:14:12,592 --> 00:14:16,932 Like, it's exactly saying how these two different parts of your brain, it's not 228 00:14:16,932 --> 00:14:20,282 exactly like parts, but let's just say like, you know, two different personas 229 00:14:20,282 --> 00:14:23,632 in your head or something like that, the automated and the cognitive one, they have 230 00:14:23,662 --> 00:14:25,602 totally different opinions about things. 231 00:14:25,932 --> 00:14:31,187 Like, I mean, I'm just kind of like putting it out in this way, but like, 232 00:14:31,187 --> 00:14:34,397 for example, you know, your cognitive side is probably the one who's 233 00:14:34,397 --> 00:14:37,357 actually thinking of like, okay, I should go ahead and start working out. 234 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:41,497 And, you know, like, I should eat better or, or whatever, but it's like, you know, 235 00:14:41,937 --> 00:14:43,977 that's cognitive side is not that strong. 236 00:14:43,977 --> 00:14:45,557 It's not that active all the time. 237 00:14:45,817 --> 00:14:49,467 And majority of the time you go with the automation and the automation is lazy. 238 00:14:49,767 --> 00:14:50,747 Like, I mean, it's. 239 00:14:50,748 --> 00:14:51,022 Yeah. 240 00:14:51,232 --> 00:14:54,932 It also just goes, you know, doesn't want to go to a gym and doesn't 241 00:14:54,962 --> 00:14:56,492 just want to order some burgers. 242 00:14:57,861 --> 00:15:01,851 It's kind of two, two totally different personas that are fighting inside 243 00:15:01,851 --> 00:15:06,121 your head, like, you know, for like, and wanting totally different things. 244 00:15:06,121 --> 00:15:09,877 Yeah, this is so cool that you brought this up, because this is actually 245 00:15:10,502 --> 00:15:14,472 A part of a chapter for a new book I'm writing at the time, and the 246 00:15:14,482 --> 00:15:16,122 chapter is called Mind Over Matter. 247 00:15:16,532 --> 00:15:21,342 And the first thing that comes to mind, before diving into that, is the 248 00:15:22,162 --> 00:15:25,922 impression of a Donald Duck cartoon, where there's an angel Donald Duck and 249 00:15:25,923 --> 00:15:28,352 a devil Donald Duck above his head. 250 00:15:28,472 --> 00:15:30,362 And they're having an argument of what to do. 251 00:15:30,842 --> 00:15:35,012 And I guess the angel side is the more thinking side, and the 252 00:15:35,012 --> 00:15:36,582 devil side is just the impulse. 253 00:15:37,162 --> 00:15:39,902 Side that wants to do, wants to have that extra cigarette 254 00:15:39,912 --> 00:15:41,142 and not do the push ups, right? 255 00:15:41,612 --> 00:15:46,902 So, so, and I think that's why that works so well, because it's a perfect metaphor. 256 00:15:46,902 --> 00:15:49,892 It feels like a dichotomy, it feels like two different sides of 257 00:15:49,892 --> 00:15:52,822 yourself, but, but you're both Dr. 258 00:15:52,822 --> 00:15:53,522 Jekyll and Mr. 259 00:15:53,522 --> 00:15:57,911 Hyde, you aren't just one aspect of it, And the thing, the thing with the 260 00:15:58,731 --> 00:16:02,541 There's so much here, we've had some great conversations on the show about 261 00:16:02,551 --> 00:16:07,841 how, to which extent the mind creates reality and stuff, I don't know if you 262 00:16:07,841 --> 00:16:15,861 heard that, but like about you choose to focus on becomes your actual subjective 263 00:16:15,861 --> 00:16:21,531 reality, like the example Jeff Boothgay was, if you're in a crowded room and 264 00:16:21,531 --> 00:16:27,551 someone even whispers your name, your attention instantly focuses on that. 265 00:16:27,941 --> 00:16:32,691 Uh, voice that just whispered your name and all of the other parts 266 00:16:32,701 --> 00:16:37,801 of the conversation going on in the party is just white noise, but 267 00:16:37,801 --> 00:16:41,541 you hear this one signal perfectly clear because you're focused on it. 268 00:16:42,271 --> 00:16:47,111 So focus and attention creates reality to a much larger extent than we expect. 269 00:16:47,211 --> 00:16:49,931 And what is objective reality? 270 00:16:49,931 --> 00:16:55,156 It's just where our memes collide and where, where these consciousnesses Crash 271 00:16:55,156 --> 00:17:00,206 into one another, and if you take, like, theory of relativity into that, and, 272 00:17:00,926 --> 00:17:06,036 you know, time space, and time being relative to, uh, to what speed you 273 00:17:06,046 --> 00:17:10,946 have throughout, through the universe and stuff, Uh, and it's everything 274 00:17:10,946 --> 00:17:16,106 being points on a 4D plane, and, like, is linear time even a real thing? 275 00:17:16,992 --> 00:17:22,222 and then bake in some quantum mechanics and you know, these, um, particles that 276 00:17:22,222 --> 00:17:28,872 have entanglement through space and through time, uh, could particles, they at 277 00:17:28,872 --> 00:17:34,152 least suspect that they're, uh, um, from what I know that they're entangled through 278 00:17:34,152 --> 00:17:36,762 time and also, and not only through space. 279 00:17:37,442 --> 00:17:39,482 So could that have something to do with free will? 280 00:17:40,372 --> 00:17:43,052 That, that a thought can actually go back in time? 281 00:17:43,752 --> 00:17:45,942 I don't know, but I, I love the subject. 282 00:17:46,853 --> 00:17:47,183 Okay. 283 00:17:47,183 --> 00:17:47,663 Yeah. 284 00:17:47,893 --> 00:17:48,463 I have an opinion. 285 00:17:48,473 --> 00:17:51,403 Like, yeah, I should definitely, uh, like read more about this 286 00:17:51,443 --> 00:17:52,953 kind of, you know, topics, 287 00:17:53,018 --> 00:17:53,983 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 288 00:17:54,163 --> 00:17:56,293 I can recommend a couple of things after the show. 289 00:19:05,271 --> 00:19:09,771 yeah, I, uh, I mentioned that, um, you know, space time and the, one of the 290 00:19:09,771 --> 00:19:11,601 points on your list here is Einstein. 291 00:19:11,601 --> 00:19:14,511 So what did, what did you want to talk about about Einstein? 292 00:19:15,331 --> 00:19:15,891 Oh, okay. 293 00:19:15,891 --> 00:19:20,581 So, I mean, we have to go a little bit back, maybe like now a lot, like we'll 294 00:19:20,581 --> 00:19:25,201 get to Einstein maybe a bit, a bit later now, but I kind of wanted to challenge 295 00:19:25,201 --> 00:19:29,611 you guys because I heard that you, you guys are kind of like both, um, you know, 296 00:19:29,611 --> 00:19:31,611 like pro kids and pro family, right? 297 00:19:33,121 --> 00:19:35,851 Um, yeah, we both have 298 00:19:36,761 --> 00:19:37,381 Yeah, yeah, 299 00:19:37,381 --> 00:19:38,071 families. 300 00:19:38,076 --> 00:19:38,401 Yeah. 301 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:42,651 yeah, like, and in our last episode, we basically, like, you know, very much 302 00:19:42,651 --> 00:19:47,191 agreed on the foolishness of, well, like, you know, a lot of the religious stuff 303 00:19:47,191 --> 00:19:50,811 and everything, and I thought that maybe, like, this is something that we can 304 00:19:50,811 --> 00:19:55,721 actually, like, debate a little bit about, and this is just, like, really, really 305 00:19:55,961 --> 00:20:00,561 difficult topic to talk about, because everyone who's going to say or would say 306 00:20:00,561 --> 00:20:04,121 the things that I'm going to be saying can be seen as, you know, like, very 307 00:20:04,681 --> 00:20:11,096 asshole, because My point is basically like, you know, that I, I'm not saying 308 00:20:11,096 --> 00:20:15,226 that people should not have families or girlfriends or like, you know, a very, 309 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:17,436 like, you know, nice kids and everything. 310 00:20:19,146 --> 00:20:25,316 I just think that for a majority of the cases, it's just a stupid accident. 311 00:20:25,801 --> 00:20:32,961 And it's just that we have exactly that weird confirmation bias where it's so 312 00:20:32,961 --> 00:20:38,071 difficult for us to kind of, you know, like, admit when we've done something, 313 00:20:38,431 --> 00:20:42,841 let's say, not that smart, and we're kind of stuck with our, like, you 314 00:20:42,841 --> 00:20:47,291 know, stupid, like, maybe automation, uh, like, you know, based decisions. 315 00:20:48,041 --> 00:20:51,991 So, like, I'm not saying that, you know, all kids that are out there, all 316 00:20:52,001 --> 00:20:57,101 families are made by, like, you know, like, that is a result of foolishness. 317 00:20:57,491 --> 00:21:02,921 No, I'm just saying that just like, for example, you know, for beavers, 318 00:21:03,091 --> 00:21:07,741 it's like a hard coded thing for them to go ahead and build dams. 319 00:21:08,036 --> 00:21:11,906 For example, it's not something that their mom teaches them or something like that. 320 00:21:11,906 --> 00:21:16,316 No, you can take a baby beaver out of the, you know, like the mom beaver right away. 321 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:17,286 When it gets born, 322 00:21:17,571 --> 00:21:18,351 out to the mom. 323 00:21:18,396 --> 00:21:18,966 like a house. 324 00:21:20,221 --> 00:21:20,851 out to the mom. 325 00:21:20,856 --> 00:21:21,871 Beaver's, beaver, you mean? 326 00:21:21,921 --> 00:21:24,351 Yeah. 327 00:21:24,601 --> 00:21:27,611 like, you know, the beaver will start actually like, you know, gathering up 328 00:21:27,611 --> 00:21:31,711 some like toys, uh, like kid toys and starting to put them in the hallways. 329 00:21:31,731 --> 00:21:34,201 And even the beaver itself seems to be confused of like, 330 00:21:34,201 --> 00:21:35,281 why the fuck am I doing this? 331 00:21:35,881 --> 00:21:39,771 But like, in the same way that the beaver has these, you know, like maybe hard 332 00:21:39,811 --> 00:21:42,031 coded things, uh, features in its genes. 333 00:21:42,471 --> 00:21:47,261 We, of course, as humans, just like with beavers too, we have basically the, like 334 00:21:47,261 --> 00:21:49,281 the hard coded feature of reproduction. 335 00:21:50,101 --> 00:21:50,921 So like, yeah. 336 00:21:51,181 --> 00:21:56,731 Any life form out there, like, either they will have to become immortal or be 337 00:21:56,741 --> 00:22:00,841 immortal, or they will have to learn to reproduce, or they will cease to exist. 338 00:22:01,891 --> 00:22:06,781 So, you know, like, for us, for example, wanting to have a family or wanting to 339 00:22:06,781 --> 00:22:12,441 have kids, it's not really a cognitively rational decision for most of the cases. 340 00:22:12,841 --> 00:22:15,411 It's, it's just like automation. 341 00:22:15,911 --> 00:22:20,881 And at least from my experience, going with your automation and your 342 00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:24,491 emotions into these kind of like big decisions, like, for example, like, 343 00:22:24,491 --> 00:22:29,911 you know, forming a relationship or having kids that has probably caused 344 00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:32,221 like more problems than actual benefits. 345 00:22:32,581 --> 00:22:37,021 Uh, like, so what I'm trying to say here is that people should, should 346 00:22:37,021 --> 00:22:39,781 kind of be aware of these hard coded. 347 00:22:40,491 --> 00:22:46,111 Like, you know, features, uh, in our genes, basically, to try to reproduce, but 348 00:22:46,121 --> 00:22:49,411 how it's just another emotion out there. 349 00:22:51,391 --> 00:22:53,581 Yeah, maybe I'll, I'll start with that one. 350 00:22:54,001 --> 00:22:56,791 Uh, we'll get into like, probably like deeper parts of this. 351 00:22:57,001 --> 00:22:57,901 Exactly. 352 00:22:58,001 --> 00:23:02,181 there's a word for that before, for the morality of not having kids. 353 00:23:02,241 --> 00:23:10,001 Like the, there's a, uh, a philosophical ethical case for, for not reproducing. 354 00:23:10,081 --> 00:23:15,111 And it's from this really kind of dark and depressing school of thought 355 00:23:15,141 --> 00:23:20,101 where, where, where you admit to yourself and everyone else that life 356 00:23:20,141 --> 00:23:22,471 is more suffering than it is happiness. 357 00:23:23,321 --> 00:23:29,241 Basically, and that everyone's, everyone's final days will probably suck more 358 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,011 than, it'll probably not be worth it. 359 00:23:32,021 --> 00:23:35,671 That's the, as far as I understand it, this is the premise of that 360 00:23:36,221 --> 00:23:41,071 worldview, that the pain of death is definitely not worth it. 361 00:23:41,611 --> 00:23:42,171 Um. 362 00:23:42,461 --> 00:23:46,741 Especially not if you take this relativistic time into the equation 363 00:23:46,741 --> 00:23:50,111 and everything exists everywhere at once and stuff, so, yeah. 364 00:23:50,581 --> 00:23:53,381 Then again, uh, free will and stuff, and we can't stop it 365 00:23:53,411 --> 00:23:54,581 because it was an instinct. 366 00:23:54,971 --> 00:23:59,041 And, uh, we're, we're stuck with it so we better do the best we can with it. 367 00:23:59,141 --> 00:24:04,024 Uh, I don't know, uh I mean, I think these things are worth 368 00:24:04,194 --> 00:24:05,654 thinking about, definitely. 369 00:24:05,714 --> 00:24:09,474 And, uh, I think there's certainly, I think every parent thinks that 370 00:24:09,514 --> 00:24:13,704 there's a certain aspect of kids being the, just a sexual hangover. 371 00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:18,319 And maybe, like when you get, when you get the kid, first kid. 372 00:24:18,709 --> 00:24:24,899 You very quickly realize that, holy shit, I've made a move that I can't take back. 373 00:24:24,939 --> 00:24:29,669 I've done something that is very, very, much more irreversible than any 374 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:31,119 other decision I've made in my life. 375 00:24:31,189 --> 00:24:35,738 Like, like everything else you can just apologize for and try to forget about. 376 00:24:35,788 --> 00:24:38,558 Like, but this one is hard to reverse. 377 00:24:38,958 --> 00:24:41,688 But that's also, also the beauty of it. 378 00:24:41,818 --> 00:24:49,768 You know, because, like, um, it, to me it makes Uh, well, it's, it 379 00:24:49,768 --> 00:24:51,838 doesn't make life more meaningful. 380 00:24:51,838 --> 00:24:52,498 That's bullshit. 381 00:24:52,498 --> 00:25:01,008 But it does, uh, it does give, uh, it, it does give you a, uh, person 382 00:25:01,038 --> 00:25:04,878 to give the existential baton too, so that you don't have to worry about 383 00:25:04,883 --> 00:25:06,288 it anymore, if you know what I mean. 384 00:25:07,498 --> 00:25:09,538 uh, and, and that feels good. 385 00:25:09,598 --> 00:25:10,378 Like, okay. 386 00:25:10,678 --> 00:25:11,068 Yeah. 387 00:25:11,128 --> 00:25:11,428 Yeah. 388 00:25:11,428 --> 00:25:12,688 I haven't figured it out yet. 389 00:25:12,718 --> 00:25:13,228 You do it. 390 00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:15,023 Good luck, bye. 391 00:25:15,563 --> 00:25:22,284 That's sort of And I think that if people were more honest, they would admit that, 392 00:25:22,284 --> 00:25:28,962 that it's a lot about, you know, giving the existential baton to the next on this, 393 00:25:28,978 --> 00:25:29,478 well said. 394 00:25:30,018 --> 00:25:34,158 And just to also clarify, like, I don't have, you know, like this very, 395 00:25:34,168 --> 00:25:37,308 like what you mentioned, you know, the very grim view of, uh, like, you know, 396 00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:40,988 world that you should not create kids because the life is more of suffering. 397 00:25:41,108 --> 00:25:42,478 I mean, that part, I agree. 398 00:25:42,478 --> 00:25:44,168 Life is probably like, you know, in some way. 399 00:25:44,864 --> 00:25:48,424 uh, like the more you're cognitively awake, the more you probably will be 400 00:25:48,454 --> 00:25:50,264 suffering, you know, in the, in the world. 401 00:25:50,654 --> 00:25:54,914 Uh, but like, I don't think like even I, for myself, like currently, you 402 00:25:54,914 --> 00:25:58,524 know, like I am single and I don't have kids, but I have nothing against it. 403 00:25:58,524 --> 00:26:02,274 And I actually still am like, you know, hopeful, romantic, and that I hope that 404 00:26:02,274 --> 00:26:05,984 I actually can find someone like, you know, a good girl that I can, you know, 405 00:26:05,984 --> 00:26:09,354 like be with, and maybe even have kids and actually be happy and all of that. 406 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:16,809 The likelihood of it is relatively, let's say like pretty low, like just being 407 00:26:16,809 --> 00:26:22,159 a bitcorner itself, kind of like, you know, let's say like makes the amount 408 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:26,699 of possible girls who can actually like, you know, accept you as you are, uh, 409 00:26:26,709 --> 00:26:32,709 like it makes it like smaller, um, plus all the other stuff, of course, but, 410 00:26:32,829 --> 00:26:36,849 uh, like in general, also like exactly, you know, what you said about like 411 00:26:36,859 --> 00:26:38,959 passing the baton to the next person. 412 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:40,339 That's the thing. 413 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:40,689 Why? 414 00:26:40,969 --> 00:26:44,699 I'm kind of a little bit disappointed whenever I see, you know, people 415 00:26:44,719 --> 00:26:49,399 saying that the, the main point of life is to have kids, I mean, 416 00:26:50,569 --> 00:26:55,279 could be, but then we get into the questions of like, okay, how many, why? 417 00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:59,389 And, you know, like, there's, there's a lot of things that usually are not 418 00:26:59,389 --> 00:27:04,449 really explainable properly, but like, especially for Bitcoiners and for like, 419 00:27:04,449 --> 00:27:08,619 you know, if we want to be really like fully responsible of our own lives, you 420 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:13,459 Like, creating kids just because you're kind of like hoping that maybe he will 421 00:27:13,469 --> 00:27:18,449 figure something out and do something great is just very, like, weirdly kind 422 00:27:18,449 --> 00:27:24,919 of like trying to pass the responsibility to others, like, if you really see the 423 00:27:24,919 --> 00:27:31,014 things, you know, how they are and how bad they are, like, Creating, like not working 424 00:27:31,014 --> 00:27:34,884 on them yourself, like kind of going with these like, you know, animal instinct 425 00:27:34,984 --> 00:27:38,244 urges to go ahead and like, you know, fuck whatever moves or, you know, like things 426 00:27:38,244 --> 00:27:44,264 like that and get trapped, basically, like, if you have been like that, you 427 00:27:44,264 --> 00:27:48,742 know, a bit kind of like lazy, you're, you're kind of stuck with that life. 428 00:27:48,742 --> 00:27:53,392 And it's going to be harder for you to actually, you know, do something, 429 00:27:53,392 --> 00:27:54,952 let's say exactly like Einstein. 430 00:27:55,712 --> 00:28:00,502 Like, why I put it out there in the notes is basically exactly that, like, if you 431 00:28:00,532 --> 00:28:04,932 think that you are one of the smartest people out there, or like, especially, 432 00:28:05,482 --> 00:28:09,622 um, like the smartest ones, but even if you think that you are more, like, smarter 433 00:28:09,622 --> 00:28:15,612 than the average, like, why would you ever go ahead and basically, like, waste 434 00:28:15,612 --> 00:28:21,952 your time in playing house Basically, like, you know, that's what we're doing. 435 00:28:21,952 --> 00:28:25,812 Like girls used to play with Barbies and, you know, like do their teapots, 436 00:28:25,882 --> 00:28:27,422 uh, things and everything like that. 437 00:28:27,862 --> 00:28:31,232 The guys used to actually, you know, play with like action figures and 438 00:28:31,232 --> 00:28:34,742 try to do something heroic, like, you know, go into a war or, or whatever. 439 00:28:35,192 --> 00:28:39,672 Like now, whenever we grow up, even men, like, you know, kind of tends to go ahead 440 00:28:39,672 --> 00:28:44,512 and either explain to themselves or just, they prefer to just, you know, play house. 441 00:28:44,957 --> 00:28:49,037 Be nicely chilling in the sofa and watching Netflix instead of doing 442 00:28:49,037 --> 00:28:53,257 something really difficult, something crazy hard, just like Einstein or 443 00:28:53,487 --> 00:28:55,227 like Nikolai Tesla or whatever. 444 00:28:55,707 --> 00:28:59,697 Like they, they went and kind of resisted the urge to just go ahead 445 00:28:59,697 --> 00:29:05,687 and be stuck with a girl to be able to actually, you know, produce something 446 00:29:05,717 --> 00:29:06,987 really meaningful to their life. 447 00:29:07,367 --> 00:29:10,887 Um, because everything that you do is just a trade off with your time. 448 00:29:10,887 --> 00:29:13,497 Like all the relationships, it's just a time sink. 449 00:29:13,962 --> 00:29:20,222 And if you do choose or end up by accident into these time sinks, you will never be 450 00:29:20,222 --> 00:29:25,462 able to, like, you know, really control your time and put out as much effort as 451 00:29:25,492 --> 00:29:29,972 maybe would have been possible if you would not taken these automated actions. 452 00:29:46,152 --> 00:29:51,392 Uh, that is very seldom talked about because it's such a taboo, uh, topic, uh, 453 00:29:51,412 --> 00:29:57,092 but a by product of women getting into the workforce, uh, because when, what 454 00:29:57,122 --> 00:30:01,682 we really did when, when, uh, you know, letting women into the workforce and 455 00:30:01,682 --> 00:30:07,632 letting them have, uh, voting rights and whatever, is that we, we, uh, Switched 456 00:30:07,642 --> 00:30:15,062 out the alleged patriarch, the, the, the family father, or the alleged, um, 457 00:30:16,162 --> 00:30:19,622 patriarch is not the right word because that has kind of a positive connotation 458 00:30:19,622 --> 00:30:27,778 in my ears, but like, uh, the alleged, um, Oppressor, the Patriarch Dad, with 459 00:30:27,788 --> 00:30:34,036 the real oppressor, the Patriarch State, which is oppressing everyone by stealing 460 00:30:34,036 --> 00:30:37,566 their stuff and making them stuck in these hamster's wheels and having to 461 00:30:37,696 --> 00:30:42,696 do their chores over and over again and everyone becomes, as you say, they're 462 00:30:42,696 --> 00:30:44,436 too tired to do anything after work day. 463 00:30:45,271 --> 00:30:49,191 They just sit on the sofa and watch Netflix and do, have no ambition with 464 00:30:49,191 --> 00:30:54,431 their lives and so I, I think it's somewhat connected to, just fiat in, 465 00:30:54,461 --> 00:31:01,371 in general that we've, um, we're, we're not incentivized to, to, to pursue 466 00:31:01,421 --> 00:31:06,641 higher goals and the more socialistic our societies become and the more you 467 00:31:06,641 --> 00:31:11,986 get punished for being, uh, bold, I mean, you get what you pay for if you 468 00:31:11,986 --> 00:31:17,696 pay social, if you have a big social security network, you're paying people 469 00:31:17,696 --> 00:31:19,466 to sit on the sofa and watch Netflix. 470 00:31:19,956 --> 00:31:24,716 So, so I think there's a lot to that, that we're, we're incentivizing 471 00:31:24,736 --> 00:31:29,206 people to, to not be ambitious, to not be brave, and to not be heroic. 472 00:31:29,226 --> 00:31:33,186 Uh, we're incentivizing people to sit home and watch Netflix, as 473 00:31:33,186 --> 00:31:35,056 you say, and eat cheese doodles. 474 00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:35,939 Yep. 475 00:31:36,379 --> 00:31:40,459 I mean, I think the thing is exactly like, you know, I mean, it's 476 00:31:40,489 --> 00:31:44,039 understandable why people went into a lot of these different relationships, 477 00:31:44,059 --> 00:31:45,629 especially like back, you know. 478 00:31:46,064 --> 00:31:50,734 Back, you know, like, uh, some years ago when we didn't have, like, you know, all 479 00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:54,584 of these weird services that government nowadays provides and everything. 480 00:31:54,974 --> 00:31:59,774 So I do understand that there's, there's certain reasons why people 481 00:31:59,784 --> 00:32:03,934 would have, like, you know, out of need or, or everything, like, you know, to. 482 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:07,449 To kind of like, you know, marry or have kids, you know, to just have some 483 00:32:07,449 --> 00:32:12,219 people to take care of the land or the farm or, or whatever, but like, for, 484 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:17,499 like, nowadays for majority of people, it seems like women don't need men and 485 00:32:17,499 --> 00:32:19,609 men don't need women, like, there is. 486 00:32:20,709 --> 00:32:25,009 Only like, you know, the, the weird animal urge that we still have for the 487 00:32:25,009 --> 00:32:28,239 opposite sex, maybe it's some weird hormones or whatever, but like, let's 488 00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:31,729 say, you know, like, previously, if it was for men, like, you know, that to have, 489 00:32:31,729 --> 00:32:35,969 like, you know, someone nice, uh, like, you know, walking around, maybe doing 490 00:32:35,969 --> 00:32:40,369 some food or like, you know, cleaning the house or something like that, no, 491 00:32:40,369 --> 00:32:42,069 you can just hire people now for that. 492 00:32:42,219 --> 00:32:45,159 Like, you don't need an actual girlfriend to get, you know, 493 00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:46,329 those kind of things done. 494 00:32:46,654 --> 00:32:49,634 And even for sex, like there's a lot of services, like you don't 495 00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,294 need girl for the sex part too. 496 00:32:51,514 --> 00:32:55,974 It's now just about this, like, you know, story that we have been told to 497 00:32:55,994 --> 00:32:58,054 that we should be in a relationship. 498 00:32:58,054 --> 00:33:02,084 And there is, you know, some perfect girl out there or like a guy or whatever. 499 00:33:02,394 --> 00:33:09,344 I just feel like, you know, it's more understandable nowadays if people 500 00:33:10,544 --> 00:33:14,834 don't go into relationships because there's no need for it anymore. 501 00:33:16,774 --> 00:33:18,264 Or like, other than the reproduction part, 502 00:33:18,707 --> 00:33:22,897 but I have a slightly different viewpoint here, and that is that we're, we're 503 00:33:24,082 --> 00:33:27,922 I'm tempted to think that we don't need a relationship and that we don't 504 00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:30,852 need spouses, but it's not really true. 505 00:33:30,852 --> 00:33:35,322 It's just very convenient for the people in charge to have us think 506 00:33:35,362 --> 00:33:38,135 that these things are not necessary. 507 00:33:38,465 --> 00:33:42,845 But like, to become a sovereign individual, truly sovereign individual, 508 00:33:42,845 --> 00:33:46,915 I really think you do need a wife to take care of the kids and do the 509 00:33:46,915 --> 00:33:51,125 dishes and all of this boring stuff so you can provide for the family. 510 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,450 And those are, like, these are very traditional values, but I think that 511 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:59,870 there's, there's something to this that got lost along the way, I mean, I, I think 512 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:03,240 people should be allowed to do whatever they want, and if women want to have a 513 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,130 career instead of having kids, like, go ahead, I have nothing against that, but 514 00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:12,485 I think with that whole package Now that every girl is, like, expected to have a 515 00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:18,870 career on top of being a mother, and guys are expected to do motherly chores, uh, 516 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:23,360 like, that's something got lost along the way there, and we sort of live in 517 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,890 this Fake reality that we think we can live without one another, but you, if 518 00:34:27,890 --> 00:34:31,920 you want to be a sovereign, and if you want to be able to support yourself and 519 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:37,470 stuff, have a citadel and a farm and stuff, you probably couldn't do that 520 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:42,180 without the proper wife, and vice versa. 521 00:34:43,185 --> 00:34:44,785 Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the thing. 522 00:34:44,785 --> 00:34:49,665 Like, I, like I said, I would personally love to have exactly like, you know, a 523 00:34:49,665 --> 00:34:53,655 good girl and have, you know, like, a nice little ranch or something like that. 524 00:34:54,215 --> 00:35:00,235 But at least, like, I totally get why. 525 00:35:00,865 --> 00:35:05,135 It's kind of like difficult for even like, you know, women to go on with that 526 00:35:05,185 --> 00:35:10,515 deal nowadays, like, you know, this is something that it's like, it's maybe like 527 00:35:10,515 --> 00:35:16,571 a little bit weird, but I wonder how a lot of the women, especially before this 528 00:35:16,571 --> 00:35:23,241 modern medicine and, you know, science, how the hell, or like, it's definitely 529 00:35:23,241 --> 00:35:29,286 not like conscious decision to go ahead and like make kids Uh, other than for 530 00:35:29,286 --> 00:35:32,566 like, you know, benefiting from them basically, like in some way, but like, 531 00:35:32,566 --> 00:35:36,776 just imagine how weird it was and how risky it was back then for a woman to 532 00:35:36,786 --> 00:35:41,146 actually like put out like a watermelon sized thingy out of their pussy. 533 00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:45,296 Like it's a huge risk, like the baby might die. 534 00:35:45,446 --> 00:35:46,256 You might die. 535 00:35:46,496 --> 00:35:46,736 Like. 536 00:35:47,076 --> 00:35:50,276 There's a huge amount of like, you know, problems in there. 537 00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:54,836 And basically, like, I wonder why didn't women kind of like, see 538 00:35:54,846 --> 00:35:58,566 men as some kind of like virus injectors, basically, at that point, 539 00:35:58,916 --> 00:36:01,206 like, it was it was crazy, weird. 540 00:36:01,206 --> 00:36:04,886 And like, I don't think that it's like a conscious decision. 541 00:36:05,106 --> 00:36:07,176 It's like the automation, the urge. 542 00:36:07,581 --> 00:36:10,971 If you want to reproduce that is hard coded in us that kind of like 543 00:36:10,981 --> 00:36:14,731 overcomes even the conscious side of like, this does not make sense. 544 00:36:14,751 --> 00:36:15,661 It has huge risks. 545 00:36:16,051 --> 00:36:17,861 They still go ahead and do it. 546 00:36:18,061 --> 00:36:21,141 And they say they want to do it because I think that it's the automation 547 00:36:21,141 --> 00:36:25,041 side, because cognitively, like, if you think about it, it's just. 548 00:36:25,881 --> 00:36:26,751 Makes no sense. 549 00:36:26,751 --> 00:36:30,241 It overcomes even your self preservation, like, you know, urge. 550 00:36:30,501 --> 00:36:34,241 You don't want to go ahead and take such a big risk for yourself and, like, 551 00:36:34,271 --> 00:36:35,661 put out the watermelon out of there. 552 00:36:36,132 --> 00:36:40,782 It's not the shape of a watermelon, just so you know, it comes out. 553 00:36:40,952 --> 00:36:41,292 yeah. 554 00:36:42,052 --> 00:36:43,322 Okay, thanks for clarifying. 555 00:36:44,036 --> 00:36:48,966 Still, it's a good metaphor, like, and, that sort of depends on your point of 556 00:36:48,966 --> 00:36:51,986 view as well, it is, not having kids. 557 00:36:52,701 --> 00:36:55,691 Means that you're, you're the end of your bloodline. 558 00:36:55,971 --> 00:36:59,921 Like that's, so it is existentially finished when you go. 559 00:37:00,891 --> 00:37:04,601 And you can say, yeah, but I don't care because I'll be dead and I won't care 560 00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:10,901 about, I won't give a fuck about shit when I'm dead, like, uh, but still, 561 00:37:11,561 --> 00:37:16,651 there is an existential, like I said, the existential baton, uh, that's, that's 562 00:37:17,251 --> 00:37:19,546 one Way to rationalize it, I guess. 563 00:37:20,186 --> 00:37:25,166 Uh, I mean, because if you think that life is more suffering than enjoyment, 564 00:37:25,206 --> 00:37:29,546 why not just go jump off a bridge tomorrow, like, and some people do! 565 00:37:29,786 --> 00:37:35,365 Uh, But I think there's definitely something to, you know, this, the, 566 00:37:35,655 --> 00:37:40,295 the family unit became a family unit for a reason, because that was how 567 00:37:40,295 --> 00:37:44,865 you survived, especially when women started to get pregnant around 17 or 568 00:37:44,865 --> 00:37:50,205 18 years of age, and then they produced kids until they were 50, like, uh. 569 00:37:51,085 --> 00:37:55,695 It's not that way anymore, and I've heard a lot of ideas about how, you know, these 570 00:37:55,945 --> 00:38:01,285 second and third order effects of the pill and what it has done to us, because in 571 00:38:01,285 --> 00:38:06,125 a way, like, modern women are the first cyborgs that are really, that we've really 572 00:38:06,135 --> 00:38:10,945 changed biologically, uh, at their core of what they, what they used to be and what 573 00:38:10,945 --> 00:38:17,425 they are now, they're a different thing, and yeah, I think there's, those downsides 574 00:38:17,455 --> 00:38:20,405 to that are not talked about enough, 575 00:38:22,972 --> 00:38:29,362 something here, I think the other side to this here, uh, it's a little 576 00:38:29,362 --> 00:38:33,352 bit fun when something like this happens, when I get to say these words. 577 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:35,282 I disagree with Knut here. 578 00:38:37,837 --> 00:38:41,437 And, and, uh, it's, it's, it's fun because I've, I've started to, uh, 579 00:38:41,447 --> 00:38:46,637 explore some ideas off campus, off the Freedom Footprint show campus, uh, 580 00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:50,377 especially these days I'm doing, I'm doing a series on Jordan Peterson's Maps 581 00:38:50,377 --> 00:38:56,807 of Meaning on, uh, Robert Breedlove's show, uh, and, and we, we, we actually 582 00:38:56,807 --> 00:39:00,207 did a rip last night, and so this stuff is kind of fresh in my mind. 583 00:39:00,697 --> 00:39:03,737 The, I, I think kids do give. 584 00:39:04,287 --> 00:39:06,957 Meaning inherently to people. 585 00:39:07,307 --> 00:39:12,957 It's just not in this, in this tangible sense, I suppose, but it 586 00:39:12,957 --> 00:39:15,797 really does hit the programming. 587 00:39:16,117 --> 00:39:19,887 And so I think we're maybe coming at this from different sides here and eventually 588 00:39:19,887 --> 00:39:27,057 saying the same thing, but the cognitive layers that we're talking about is sort 589 00:39:27,057 --> 00:39:30,917 of built up in this layered substrate. 590 00:39:31,277 --> 00:39:32,497 We as individuals. 591 00:39:33,297 --> 00:39:39,217 are the product of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of years of evolution. 592 00:39:39,547 --> 00:39:43,957 Let's just cap it at when we've been homo sapiens, maybe a couple hundred 593 00:39:43,957 --> 00:39:45,877 thousand years, something like that. 594 00:39:46,337 --> 00:39:52,067 And everything that has come up to that point in terms of behavior, in terms of 595 00:39:53,227 --> 00:39:59,807 the, the stories that we've told along the way to, to, to pass lessons down. 596 00:40:00,117 --> 00:40:01,217 Those are all. 597 00:40:01,607 --> 00:40:03,997 Substrates of our personalities. 598 00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:12,317 All three of us have, to a certain extent, the Judeo Christian philosophy 599 00:40:12,547 --> 00:40:17,197 underpinning us, again, to a certain extent, but we, all three of us also have 600 00:40:17,197 --> 00:40:22,187 different, different backgrounds before our ancestors became Christianized, 601 00:40:22,207 --> 00:40:26,757 for example, just to, just to make that point, but we've got the Judeo 602 00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:33,327 Christian, the Western humanist, and, perspective from being men from, from 603 00:40:33,337 --> 00:40:36,317 Europe or from Europe adjacent countries. 604 00:40:36,687 --> 00:40:41,057 And then there are more things that individuate us, right? 605 00:40:41,357 --> 00:40:45,277 But the lower level programming in terms of everything that goes on 606 00:40:45,437 --> 00:40:50,997 under the hood, that's pretty much shared, universal human shared. 607 00:40:51,577 --> 00:40:54,817 And I think that the reproduction is, is part of this. 608 00:40:54,817 --> 00:41:00,337 And it, in a lot of ways, it's, it's I think having kids is always difficult, 609 00:41:00,337 --> 00:41:03,737 right, because there's a lot of responsibility to it, at least if you're 610 00:41:03,737 --> 00:41:10,347 taking it seriously, which I think you should, but over time, the responsibility 611 00:41:10,587 --> 00:41:16,937 becomes too much to bear without something like that, where it's, where it's, it 612 00:41:16,937 --> 00:41:19,037 just becomes the, the right thing to do. 613 00:41:19,487 --> 00:41:22,987 Cross to bear, for lack of a better metaphor on top of my head. 614 00:41:23,387 --> 00:41:29,907 It's, you take yourself to a certain life status, right? 615 00:41:29,937 --> 00:41:33,837 And then having kids becomes the next natural outlet for that. 616 00:41:34,707 --> 00:41:39,877 Because I think there's another case where you have people who just, who just have 617 00:41:39,877 --> 00:41:43,577 kids, get in a relationship, have kids and, uh, oops, make a mistake and they 618 00:41:43,577 --> 00:41:46,847 don't go into it intentionally and that's a completely different story, right? 619 00:41:47,257 --> 00:41:52,447 That's, that's probably what The majority of, of humanity was 620 00:41:52,447 --> 00:41:54,087 like for a very long time, right? 621 00:41:54,967 --> 00:41:59,607 Intentionally going into it with the idea of having kids and, and, yeah, 622 00:41:59,607 --> 00:42:04,817 going on to the next generation, I think that is absolutely meaningful 623 00:42:04,847 --> 00:42:09,087 in and of itself in the, in the sense of that you're going to channel your 624 00:42:09,267 --> 00:42:13,107 energy directly into a new person. 625 00:42:13,542 --> 00:42:20,012 And maybe there's some, there's a, an aspect of trying to reduce some past 626 00:42:20,012 --> 00:42:25,291 mistakes, uh, trying to, help them have a better life than, than you 627 00:42:25,291 --> 00:42:29,171 had, a better start of it, and, and then we get into that there are these 628 00:42:29,181 --> 00:42:35,246 psychological fallacies of the, the, Great men create good times, which 629 00:42:35,256 --> 00:42:39,646 creates bad men, which creates bad times, kind of thing, the generational 630 00:42:39,656 --> 00:42:43,786 cycle where if you get too good of a start in life, maybe you're not going 631 00:42:43,786 --> 00:42:48,636 to necessarily achieve much of anything, which, yeah, is sort of difficult to 632 00:42:48,646 --> 00:42:53,466 grapple with as a new parent, but not like I'm giving my kid a good start. 633 00:42:53,546 --> 00:42:59,406 Um, Yeah, the, the, the most, uh, luxurious upbringing, so 634 00:42:59,406 --> 00:43:00,696 to say, but, you know, not bad. 635 00:43:01,516 --> 00:43:04,936 This is rambling a little bit, but I, I think the, the, the point is that 636 00:43:05,146 --> 00:43:12,336 we've got this deep programming and this deep cultural substrate that. 637 00:43:13,196 --> 00:43:19,066 Is there, it's just not something that is scientifically extractable, exactly. 638 00:43:19,246 --> 00:43:24,036 This isn't something empirical, it's just, it's just a substrate of things that, that 639 00:43:24,046 --> 00:43:27,636 have, have built upon us as, as humans. 640 00:43:27,656 --> 00:43:34,086 And I, I think having kids and, and, uh, going along with that, it's, we've been 641 00:43:34,086 --> 00:43:40,271 telling stories about it's, The importance of having kids and moving on into the next 642 00:43:40,271 --> 00:43:47,241 generation for probably as long as humans have existed, and that's built in, and we 643 00:43:47,241 --> 00:43:48,961 are programmed to get meaning from that. 644 00:43:49,441 --> 00:43:54,331 So I think this is sort of saying the same thing a little bit from a 645 00:43:54,331 --> 00:43:57,091 different perspective, but I think we get meaning from it because 646 00:43:57,091 --> 00:43:58,321 it's been with us for so long. 647 00:43:58,729 --> 00:44:02,759 Yeah, just a disclaimer here, Luke, uh, before we get into the rest of 648 00:44:02,759 --> 00:44:07,509 the conversation, and that is that, like, I don't claim opinions on 649 00:44:07,509 --> 00:44:12,209 this, so, so, like, I flesh out these different theories that people have, 650 00:44:12,259 --> 00:44:16,749 but, yeah, just to say, I definitely went into getting kids deliberately. 651 00:44:16,939 --> 00:44:17,409 I did. 652 00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,339 I don't think it was as deliberate on my wife's part, I think it was more 653 00:44:22,339 --> 00:44:26,409 of an oops moment for her, definitely more oopsie than it was for me. 654 00:44:27,019 --> 00:44:28,829 Because for me it was planned. 655 00:44:29,615 --> 00:44:30,965 So that's, that's the thing, guys. 656 00:44:30,975 --> 00:44:35,575 So, like, I really appreciate, you know, like, people being able to tell 657 00:44:35,575 --> 00:44:39,665 honestly about, or like, talk honestly about these things, because I do also 658 00:44:39,665 --> 00:44:43,825 understand, you know, the biases that we have, uh, to kind of like, you know, 659 00:44:43,835 --> 00:44:49,785 to defend the actions that we have made, um, and well, okay, this might sound a 660 00:44:49,785 --> 00:44:54,605 bit harsh and like, you know, this might be offensive for some people, but like, 661 00:44:54,605 --> 00:45:00,545 I'm not comparing dogs and kids, but I'm just saying that, Like, I had a dog, um, 662 00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:05,955 for like 10 years, and I mean, it came true because, like, the girlfriend that I 663 00:45:05,965 --> 00:45:07,695 had back then, she wanted to have a dog. 664 00:45:08,135 --> 00:45:13,755 We got it, but like, after a few years, we separated, and the dog was basically 665 00:45:13,755 --> 00:45:18,340 like, Well, I took care of the dog, uh, for the last six, seven years. 666 00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:24,580 And the thing is, it always prevented me from like traveling quite as much as 667 00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:28,970 I would want to, like it did basically restrict me from doing things, but when 668 00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:33,910 I had the dog, I kind of like very well explained to myself how this is worth it, 669 00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:35,520 and this is okay, and this is what I want. 670 00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:37,920 I want to stay with the dog, like, you know, or like, you know, 671 00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:39,400 take care of it or, or whatever. 672 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:43,110 That's what I feel like, you know, when we actually have. 673 00:45:43,505 --> 00:45:47,705 That thing to take care of, we have this bias where we need to go ahead and 674 00:45:47,705 --> 00:45:49,565 explain that that was still worth it. 675 00:45:49,865 --> 00:45:54,085 But now that my dog died, like, you know, six months ago, I honestly, like, 676 00:45:54,795 --> 00:45:57,885 I cannot say that I would do anything differently because I don't know any 677 00:45:57,885 --> 00:45:59,775 of the other options or, or anything. 678 00:45:59,915 --> 00:46:04,355 Uh, and it was really awesome time, um, to know, you know, grow, grow a 679 00:46:04,355 --> 00:46:07,075 dog as a single guy, uh, and all that. 680 00:46:08,795 --> 00:46:11,355 I've also exactly kind of like noticed that. 681 00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:17,480 Now I have more of the original freedom that I actually really, really wanted, 682 00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:24,460 and I kind of explained to myself, like, not doing a lot of things because of the 683 00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:30,310 dog, but I was like, able to kind of like, explain to myself why that is still okay. 684 00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:34,220 Now, I know that I would not take another dog. 685 00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:37,180 I would not take or make the same decision. 686 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,670 I cannot say that I would revert the old one. 687 00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:44,950 But at least, cognitively, when I'm awake, when I don't, when I have an option to 688 00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:49,480 get a dog, or not get a dog, when I have an option to get a girl, or get a kid, 689 00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:54,090 or don't, like, I think that's when I can actually think most, like, you know, 690 00:46:54,090 --> 00:46:59,320 with unbiased, or like, with least of the biases, I can, I can think straight. 691 00:46:59,620 --> 00:47:03,350 Whenever I have already one of those things, it's really hard to go back. 692 00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:08,220 So what I'm trying to say also is that people should be careful and not 693 00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:13,690 kind of like panic for the feeling of being lonely or you know, like 694 00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:17,680 try to try to just run after, you know, like all of these emotions, 695 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,390 like wanting to have sex or whatever. 696 00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:26,590 Like people should kind of accept that these are just emotions. 697 00:47:26,650 --> 00:47:31,510 You might want to go with them, but you might also be doing the biggest mistakes 698 00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:34,360 of your life if you're not really thinking with your head, but just with your dick. 699 00:47:35,745 --> 00:47:36,225 Yeah. 700 00:47:38,215 --> 00:47:45,030 I think an aspect of this that we haven't talked about is, is, like, This is my 701 00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:50,130 subjective experience, but before I had kids, like, I didn't have kids until 702 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,694 quite late in life, like, I was 35 when I had my first kid, and before that, 703 00:47:55,704 --> 00:48:02,204 I was bored, and I had long periods of time where I wasn't doing stuff. 704 00:48:02,654 --> 00:48:03,964 That never happens anymore. 705 00:48:03,974 --> 00:48:10,764 So, like, even though I have less time on my hands, I literally have way fewer hours 706 00:48:10,784 --> 00:48:18,314 per day that I decide whatever I want to do and then do that, like, uninterrupted. 707 00:48:19,684 --> 00:48:25,264 Those Moments are much more precious to me now, so I value them more, and 708 00:48:25,264 --> 00:48:30,054 therefore I get more shit done, even though I have less time to do shit. 709 00:48:30,734 --> 00:48:35,154 Because I think there's a, there's a thing there, because, like, uh, having 710 00:48:35,154 --> 00:48:39,634 a kid and being in that situation, like, the dog is, you are comparing a dog 711 00:48:39,634 --> 00:48:41,014 to a kid, you understand that, right? 712 00:48:41,304 --> 00:48:46,449 But, but, like, it's not the same thing, but it, it alludes to what A life with 713 00:48:46,449 --> 00:48:49,929 a kid is, like, you have to take care of the kid a lot more than you have to 714 00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:52,459 take care of the dog, just, uh, heads up. 715 00:48:52,820 --> 00:49:00,470 Uh, well, yeah, maybe, maybe it's hard to realize how scarce a human time 716 00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,830 is, and how short a human lifetime is. 717 00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:07,190 Uh, before you have a kid, like, uh, it's, uh, it's a real reminder 718 00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:10,920 that, uh, life is not a rehearsal go. 719 00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:12,990 Like, do you have one shot at this? 720 00:49:13,848 --> 00:49:16,598 And also, like, you know, whatever makes people happy. 721 00:49:16,628 --> 00:49:17,918 I think that's okay. 722 00:49:18,198 --> 00:49:22,768 But I also feel like there's a great, or like, at least to me, 723 00:49:22,838 --> 00:49:26,438 how I see exactly like Einstein and Tesla or people like that. 724 00:49:26,848 --> 00:49:30,098 And what I kind of would want to exactly put out right now, like, you know, for 725 00:49:30,098 --> 00:49:33,468 all the listeners is basically that, like, if you think that you are really 726 00:49:33,528 --> 00:49:37,748 like a smart or like, you know, as an As productive or like, you know, as 727 00:49:37,768 --> 00:49:42,228 meaningful of a person as someone like, you know, Einstein or Nikolai Tesla, I 728 00:49:42,228 --> 00:49:46,358 kind of like, you know, I kind of would hope that those persons would actually 729 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,448 just focus on work and I feel bad for them because they might not get all of that 730 00:49:50,458 --> 00:49:52,528 happiness that family and kids bring them. 731 00:49:52,928 --> 00:49:56,558 But I really like, you know, tip my hat for those guys who are, you know, 732 00:49:56,558 --> 00:50:01,428 also kind of resisting the urge and kind of like, you know, being able to. 733 00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:06,593 To stand the suffering, like, you know, the loneliness or whatever, and, you know, 734 00:50:06,593 --> 00:50:13,403 like, just doing these greater things, uh, you know, that actually produces 735 00:50:13,463 --> 00:50:15,033 or pushes, like, humanity forward. 736 00:50:15,143 --> 00:50:19,963 Of course, family people can definitely do a lot of those, but I'm just saying, like, 737 00:50:20,263 --> 00:50:26,383 it would have been a real shame if, you know, Einstein or these kind of guys would 738 00:50:26,383 --> 00:50:28,593 have been stuck, you know, playing house. 739 00:50:29,908 --> 00:50:33,368 We would have lost or like, you know, a lot of good ideas. 740 00:50:34,318 --> 00:50:37,188 do you think his lack of a sex drive has something to do with his name? 741 00:50:38,668 --> 00:50:40,928 Uh, yeah, it could be, it could be. 742 00:50:41,408 --> 00:50:41,758 Yeah. 743 00:50:41,758 --> 00:50:42,038 I 744 00:50:42,308 --> 00:50:48,008 Uh, uh, I don't, I don't know much about the sex life of Einstein, uh, but, 745 00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:51,328 I heard something like, you know, I mean, they did have apparently 746 00:50:51,328 --> 00:50:55,518 kids, but they kind of like abandoned the girl and the kid exactly to be 747 00:50:55,518 --> 00:50:56,898 able to just focus on their work. 748 00:50:56,908 --> 00:50:59,498 And of course they probably got a lot of shit from it. 749 00:51:00,198 --> 00:51:04,148 And also Nikolai Tesla, for example, like he was, he was apparently like. 750 00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:06,788 According to himself, married to a pigeon. 751 00:51:07,438 --> 00:51:11,958 So, I mean, these are not, let's say the most sane guys, but what 752 00:51:11,958 --> 00:51:16,428 I'm saying is that I appreciate them willing to go into a total craziness to 753 00:51:16,428 --> 00:51:18,298 produce something great for humanity, 754 00:51:19,099 --> 00:51:25,399 Yeah, but there, there are examples of, uh Like, uh, Luke Dasher for, 755 00:51:25,399 --> 00:51:27,289 for instance, in, in Bitcoin. 756 00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:30,859 He has eight kids and he does great things all of the time. 757 00:51:30,889 --> 00:51:32,594 Like , like, 758 00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:36,219 just imagine how much time or like how much more productive Luke would 759 00:51:36,229 --> 00:51:38,999 be if he would not have to take care of any of those eight kids. 760 00:51:39,649 --> 00:51:40,759 you don't know that. 761 00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,559 You don't know that he might have been, you know, a method on the street if he 762 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,869 hadn't had those eight kids, you know, uh, like, yeah, apologies to Luke in 763 00:51:48,869 --> 00:51:53,279 advance here, but, uh, , it's just a name that came on top of my head because 764 00:51:53,279 --> 00:51:54,584 of the eight kids, but, uh, you know. 765 00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:58,389 Or, uh, or Jimmy Song. 766 00:51:58,459 --> 00:52:00,099 He has seven kids, right? 767 00:52:00,289 --> 00:52:02,259 Uh, um, or, or something. 768 00:52:02,799 --> 00:52:05,599 They have a ton of kids, and they seem to be very productive. 769 00:52:07,009 --> 00:52:09,789 Despite, or maybe because of the kids, who knows? 770 00:52:10,754 --> 00:52:11,074 Yep. 771 00:52:11,654 --> 00:52:15,304 By the way, what do you guys think of, like, you know, when people are saying 772 00:52:15,584 --> 00:52:20,304 that the point of life would be to exactly like, you know, like have kids, 773 00:52:20,944 --> 00:52:25,944 like, what is then the number of kids that you would want to have optimally? 774 00:52:26,334 --> 00:52:30,834 Like, because that's always something that has wondered to me, like, is it just one? 775 00:52:30,844 --> 00:52:35,094 If you want to, you know, like, store your gene, basically, like, the more the 776 00:52:35,134 --> 00:52:40,444 merrier, then again, like, previously, it wasn't possible to just go ahead 777 00:52:40,444 --> 00:52:42,024 and create, like, thousands of kids. 778 00:52:42,574 --> 00:52:45,474 Or maybe like Genghis Khan or someone else actually did that. 779 00:52:45,474 --> 00:52:46,984 I don't remember how many did he have. 780 00:52:48,034 --> 00:52:49,794 The point is now it is possible. 781 00:52:49,874 --> 00:52:53,644 You can actually create like, you know, in a weird like lab 782 00:52:53,654 --> 00:52:54,844 or like, you know, a test tube. 783 00:52:54,854 --> 00:52:57,694 You can clone yourself as many kids as you can afford to. 784 00:52:58,094 --> 00:53:02,494 So is now the actual, like, the goal basically to create as many kids as 785 00:53:02,554 --> 00:53:06,064 you can afford to raise reasonably? 786 00:53:06,404 --> 00:53:09,614 Or, or like, is it just passing the genes? 787 00:53:10,899 --> 00:53:12,509 You know, like, what's your thoughts on this? 788 00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:17,099 I, I think even if you're Elon Musk, you wouldn't afford to be Genghis Khan. 789 00:53:17,489 --> 00:53:23,289 Because that's like 25 percent of the Mongolian population has, you know, 790 00:53:23,289 --> 00:53:25,869 connections to the genes of Genghis Khan. 791 00:53:25,909 --> 00:53:26,399 So like. 792 00:53:26,834 --> 00:53:31,914 Being a total asshole and pillaging and raping for your entire life and 793 00:53:31,964 --> 00:53:37,671 raping as much as possible is a very effective method if you want your genes 794 00:53:37,671 --> 00:53:39,371 to pass on to the next generation. 795 00:53:39,431 --> 00:53:41,771 Like, of course it is. 796 00:53:41,981 --> 00:53:43,001 We're clipping that. 797 00:53:43,161 --> 00:53:44,121 And we're clipping that. 798 00:53:44,371 --> 00:53:44,611 Yes. 799 00:53:48,771 --> 00:53:49,521 Why not? 800 00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:51,441 Great advice from Knut. 801 00:53:51,441 --> 00:53:55,521 Well, it's not advice, it's an observation, uh, but I'm coming to the 802 00:53:55,521 --> 00:54:00,281 point that, uh, I don't think that's necessarily a good life choice, though, 803 00:54:00,311 --> 00:54:04,841 even though it does secure your, your gene, your bloodline for a long time. 804 00:54:05,331 --> 00:54:12,336 I think, like, why, why do people have to have, uh finding meaning in life, 805 00:54:12,596 --> 00:54:16,128 uh, what, what do you even answer? 806 00:54:16,228 --> 00:54:17,668 Like, is there a meaning? 807 00:54:17,678 --> 00:54:18,638 Is there not a meaning? 808 00:54:18,848 --> 00:54:21,938 Well, sometimes it feels like there's meaning, but some things 809 00:54:21,948 --> 00:54:24,118 feel meaningful and others less so. 810 00:54:24,168 --> 00:54:32,048 But, you know, I mean, just reproducing, it's not meaning in itself, is it? 811 00:54:32,648 --> 00:54:35,958 I think just going with the flow and doing whatever feels good is 812 00:54:36,128 --> 00:54:37,728 quite good advice for most people. 813 00:54:38,178 --> 00:54:39,578 Uh, I don't know. 814 00:54:39,848 --> 00:54:40,958 I don't know the meaning of life. 815 00:54:40,958 --> 00:54:41,968 What's the meaning of life, Luke? 816 00:54:43,098 --> 00:54:49,448 Voluntarily taking up the challenge to go into the unknown, tame the chaos, and 817 00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:51,558 bring back the treasure to the community. 818 00:54:52,193 --> 00:54:55,233 Yes, but this is the Freedom Footprint show, not the What is Money show. 819 00:54:56,282 --> 00:54:56,762 Yeah, 820 00:54:56,807 --> 00:54:57,127 Yes. 821 00:54:57,797 --> 00:55:01,697 I know you rehearsed for that and everything, but this is, this is our show. 822 00:55:02,077 --> 00:55:04,077 You'd have to do that with Rob, you know. 823 00:55:04,282 --> 00:55:09,062 I mean, there's a reason I've talked about that book now for like eight 824 00:55:09,062 --> 00:55:11,432 hours or something with Rob and, uh, 825 00:55:11,867 --> 00:55:12,797 But do you buy that? 826 00:55:13,727 --> 00:55:14,557 Do you buy that? 827 00:55:14,737 --> 00:55:16,207 That that's the meaning of your life? 828 00:55:16,407 --> 00:55:17,667 Or everyone's life? 829 00:55:18,842 --> 00:55:22,742 Well, okay, so the thing about that book, the thing about Maps of Meaning 830 00:55:22,742 --> 00:55:30,882 that, that really dug into this for me was, was that it explained how we think 831 00:55:30,892 --> 00:55:37,642 because the, the thing about it is it, the book is dense and, and ridiculously 832 00:55:37,652 --> 00:55:45,982 meandering repetitive, but the, it, it builds upon point upon point and shows. 833 00:55:46,517 --> 00:55:47,447 He shows his work. 834 00:55:47,477 --> 00:55:49,367 That's, that's really the key here. 835 00:55:49,867 --> 00:55:56,727 So what happens is that the, the book builds up from here are the 836 00:55:56,727 --> 00:55:58,617 building blocks of how people think. 837 00:55:58,622 --> 00:56:01,287 There's, there's an aspect of neurological psychology. 838 00:56:01,287 --> 00:56:03,777 There's an aspect of how this stuff works in day to day. 839 00:56:03,782 --> 00:56:06,327 And then the bulk of the book is explanation through stories. 840 00:56:07,047 --> 00:56:11,357 And the thesis of the book is basically that we transmit through stories, 841 00:56:11,447 --> 00:56:17,847 through mythology, mythology basically just being stories that are so deep in 842 00:56:17,867 --> 00:56:24,192 our history that we've lost where they actually came from, but Through these 843 00:56:24,582 --> 00:56:32,892 stories, we tell lessons that match what our psychology and physiology mean. 844 00:56:34,652 --> 00:56:38,992 If you want a fun, we talk for a good 20 30 minutes in one episode about the 845 00:56:38,992 --> 00:56:41,892 meaning of the word meaning, and it's a real circle, Jarek, and it's lots of 846 00:56:41,892 --> 00:56:50,060 fun, but, yeah, but the point is that psychologically, we're, we are conditioned 847 00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:57,600 to want to minimize the chaos of the world around us and put the world into 848 00:56:57,610 --> 00:57:00,490 order in, in the most simple terms. 849 00:57:01,390 --> 00:57:01,740 And so 850 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,900 We as in men? 851 00:57:03,662 --> 00:57:08,652 humanity, but it's, it's, there's biological differences, of course. 852 00:57:09,202 --> 00:57:14,642 Uh, men do end up being sort of the, the default in these, these stories. 853 00:57:15,832 --> 00:57:16,652 Sorry, ladies. 854 00:57:16,652 --> 00:57:24,242 The, the, there are different stories tailored specifically for women, at 855 00:57:24,242 --> 00:57:31,162 least in terms of the, the, the thing to do to, uh, um, well, for, for her to 856 00:57:31,162 --> 00:57:33,752 get her own, uh, form of, of meaning. 857 00:57:33,772 --> 00:57:37,482 The Beauty of the Beast story is the, is the archetypical, the 858 00:57:37,482 --> 00:57:41,862 archetypal story for, for women, at least according to Jordan Peterson. 859 00:57:43,322 --> 00:57:47,732 Yes, we as in men, we as in Humans, something like that. 860 00:57:48,062 --> 00:57:54,582 The bravest thing is to be able to go out into the unknown and bring something back. 861 00:57:54,672 --> 00:57:58,112 That's what millennia of stories are telling us. 862 00:57:58,282 --> 00:58:03,782 And then there are layers to it because it's not a simple, 863 00:58:04,692 --> 00:58:06,612 there's a simple hero story. 864 00:58:06,632 --> 00:58:11,312 Go kill the dragon, rescue the virgin in the castle. 865 00:58:11,632 --> 00:58:14,582 Bring her back and then suddenly everything is good in the kingdom 866 00:58:14,582 --> 00:58:17,282 again because you killed the dragon, something like that. 867 00:58:17,472 --> 00:58:21,412 Very simple, straightforward, but that's not how it maps to reality. 868 00:58:21,412 --> 00:58:26,867 And so there are Other stories, other forms of, of looking at this stuff and, 869 00:58:27,227 --> 00:58:35,557 and the thesis is to just take up the challenge and that's meaning to me is 870 00:58:35,557 --> 00:58:43,177 to find the challenge to take up and go at it wholeheartedly and go at it with 871 00:58:43,177 --> 00:58:50,747 some humility the wisdom of generations before me might have figured some things 872 00:58:50,747 --> 00:58:55,607 out but ultimately there comes the point where you as the individual will. 873 00:58:56,312 --> 00:59:01,872 The individual, I'll emphasize that, has to do something novel and innovative 874 00:59:02,322 --> 00:59:07,272 in that moment, as big or as small as that might be, and that's the impact. 875 00:59:07,572 --> 00:59:08,282 That's the meaning. 876 00:59:09,427 --> 00:59:14,267 And then bring that back, and you can make a good life, life is less psychologically 877 00:59:14,827 --> 00:59:22,137 difficult, putting life into more order, something like that, and the, the coolest 878 00:59:22,137 --> 00:59:27,317 part about it is the, the, the person, the thing you should put at the top of 879 00:59:27,317 --> 00:59:30,497 the hierarchy, the, the thing that you should put at the top of the hierarchy is 880 00:59:30,507 --> 00:59:39,762 the, the hero that pays attention That's what, what for millennia is the message. 881 00:59:40,182 --> 00:59:45,542 The hero that is able to pay attention, figure out the world, and figure out the 882 00:59:45,552 --> 00:59:48,902 things that are plaguing the society. 883 00:59:49,872 --> 00:59:52,022 That's the person that should be put at the top of the hierarchy 884 00:59:52,022 --> 00:59:53,232 because they know what they're doing. 885 00:59:53,442 --> 00:59:54,442 They're the most competent. 886 00:59:54,472 --> 00:59:55,152 Competence. 887 00:59:56,202 --> 01:00:00,802 The, the book maps on perfectly with praxeology, with everything that's 888 01:00:00,802 --> 01:00:02,242 going on in the Bitcoin community. 889 01:00:02,662 --> 01:00:03,212 I love it. 890 01:00:03,552 --> 01:00:09,072 And it's, it's why it's the most It's the most influential book for me, and 891 01:00:09,732 --> 01:00:15,872 why I am talking about it with Rob, why I'd encourage people to watch Jordan 892 01:00:15,872 --> 01:00:22,042 Peterson's lectures on the topic, if reading the book in its whole 500 page 893 01:00:22,042 --> 01:00:28,717 density isn't the most enjoyable thing, I got something out of it, and that's it. 894 01:00:29,237 --> 01:00:33,567 That's the meaning I got out of it was to take up the challenge and I went from a 895 01:00:33,567 --> 01:00:39,937 nihilistic early 20 something that had no idea what to do with myself to yeah, now, 896 01:00:39,967 --> 01:00:47,257 now I've got purpose and I'm well on my way to fulfilling the story of my life. 897 01:00:47,647 --> 01:00:48,977 Got a kid, it's pretty cool. 898 01:00:49,627 --> 01:00:51,987 I don't think any of that would have happened if I hadn't found 899 01:00:51,987 --> 01:00:56,287 this book and figured out how to do something with myself without 900 01:00:56,287 --> 01:00:57,527 finding religion, by the way. 901 01:00:58,047 --> 01:00:59,127 So that's also cool. 902 01:00:59,647 --> 01:01:01,077 That is a beautiful rant, Luke. 903 01:01:01,507 --> 01:01:02,547 You put a tear to my eye. 904 01:01:02,777 --> 01:01:06,407 And, uh, the story is very similar to mine. 905 01:01:06,447 --> 01:01:11,897 It's just that I've never, like, uh, well, never is a strong word. 906 01:01:12,787 --> 01:01:17,687 I guess I, you know, every person sees themselves as the protagonist 907 01:01:17,687 --> 01:01:19,697 of their, the movie of their story. 908 01:01:19,737 --> 01:01:24,667 So you try to, if you try to emulate the hero's journey thing, I think 909 01:01:24,667 --> 01:01:26,227 we all do that to some extent. 910 01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:30,987 And to me, the, the like, uh, there's the call to adventure when you 911 01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:36,057 find Bitcoin and there's the, the real adventure when you, uh, you're 912 01:01:36,197 --> 01:01:38,017 supposed to run into trouble also. 913 01:01:38,057 --> 01:01:42,987 And I guess, you know, getting fed up with my old job was getting into trouble 914 01:01:42,987 --> 01:01:49,757 and seeing inflation, you know, outpacing an eventual raise in salary and then 915 01:01:49,767 --> 01:01:53,457 just jumping off the cliff and, uh, fuck this, I'm doing something else instead. 916 01:01:53,927 --> 01:01:58,217 I guess that's like the, the hero's journey part of at least the latter. 917 01:01:58,542 --> 01:01:59,612 Stages of my life. 918 01:01:59,612 --> 01:02:02,102 I don't think people have one hero's journey. 919 01:02:02,102 --> 01:02:05,362 I think they have many during a lifetime, or at least can. 920 01:02:06,522 --> 01:02:08,782 So what's your story, Rafa, there? 921 01:02:08,782 --> 01:02:11,122 Like, have you found the meaning of your life? 922 01:02:11,122 --> 01:02:14,732 Are you living in a hero's journey type thing, you think? 923 01:02:15,822 --> 01:02:23,492 mean, kind of, yeah, I do think I have like a good meaning for life. 924 01:02:23,962 --> 01:02:29,952 It's just that I kind of question it and I feel like things are way too easy. 925 01:02:30,332 --> 01:02:35,512 Uh, like, you know, like, let's say like this, I had this thought in my 926 01:02:35,512 --> 01:02:39,102 mind, like, let's say 10 years ago, that would be like really awesome to just, 927 01:02:39,102 --> 01:02:42,182 you know, like work on Bitcoin things and not really have to have, you know, 928 01:02:42,182 --> 01:02:43,912 a fiat job or, or things like that. 929 01:02:44,472 --> 01:02:45,932 Well, I, I got that. 930 01:02:46,452 --> 01:02:49,642 Then I also realized when I like, you know, got a little bit deeper 931 01:02:49,642 --> 01:02:53,892 into Bitcoin stuff that I really want to, you know, focus on doing 932 01:02:53,902 --> 01:02:55,492 something really, really meaningful. 933 01:02:55,502 --> 01:02:59,742 Or I mean, that's what I had like always since the child, like as a, 934 01:02:59,802 --> 01:03:03,582 like when I was a kid, like I wanted to do something actually meaningful, not 935 01:03:03,582 --> 01:03:08,372 something just a random, you know, like a basic fiat job or something like that. 936 01:03:08,912 --> 01:03:12,442 And I, I feel like working on Bitcoin and especially like 937 01:03:12,462 --> 01:03:14,142 working on Bitcoin privacy. 938 01:03:14,752 --> 01:03:20,382 is probably one of the most urgent things that we should be working on 939 01:03:20,872 --> 01:03:24,502 because, I mean, even though there's a lot of very cool technology, a lot 940 01:03:24,502 --> 01:03:29,452 of like, you know, biohacking or like AI or like, you know, a lot of these 941 01:03:29,452 --> 01:03:34,172 cool things are out there, but I feel like if we don't fix the money first. 942 01:03:34,857 --> 01:03:40,027 All of these other cool, you know, things or technologies will just be like 943 01:03:40,027 --> 01:03:43,867 corrupted through government or like, you know, like we have a shitty money, 944 01:03:44,377 --> 01:03:47,797 uh, like at least, you know, the fiat, and we're trying to make a better one. 945 01:03:48,247 --> 01:03:50,837 Bitcoin is the best option, but it also has this like 946 01:03:50,837 --> 01:03:52,897 huge problem with its privacy. 947 01:03:52,897 --> 01:03:57,037 Like, if we would not improve Bitcoin privacy, or if these privacy 948 01:03:57,037 --> 01:03:58,337 tools would not get adoption. 949 01:03:58,782 --> 01:04:03,262 I feel like, you know, even Bitcoin would just become basically the biggest global 950 01:04:03,272 --> 01:04:05,412 financial surveillance system ever. 951 01:04:05,822 --> 01:04:10,562 Like, it is, it is much, much worse than any CBDC out there 952 01:04:10,562 --> 01:04:11,772 that people are talking about. 953 01:04:12,122 --> 01:04:15,482 Like, this is not just, you know, like governments being able to see exactly 954 01:04:15,482 --> 01:04:17,132 how much you own and how do you transact. 955 01:04:17,402 --> 01:04:20,582 They might not be able to stop it, but they will penalize you if they 956 01:04:20,582 --> 01:04:22,152 can see exactly what's going on. 957 01:04:22,567 --> 01:04:26,977 Now, with CBDCs, at least your neighbor is not able to watch you or, you know, 958 01:04:26,977 --> 01:04:28,457 like know exactly what you're doing. 959 01:04:29,217 --> 01:04:34,317 With Bitcoin, if we don't improve its privacy, we are really, really screwed. 960 01:04:34,617 --> 01:04:38,307 So, in that sense, I do find a lot of meaning working on, on 961 01:04:38,307 --> 01:04:40,197 this space and these things. 962 01:04:40,912 --> 01:04:46,368 Uh, but I feel like it's also, it's too easy, like, in the sense that, 963 01:04:47,378 --> 01:04:50,898 uh, maybe I just have these like, you know, weird old stories and movies 964 01:04:50,898 --> 01:04:52,578 kind of like imprinted into my mind. 965 01:04:52,608 --> 01:04:56,068 Like, for example, you know, the movie Troy, uh, and like 966 01:04:56,068 --> 01:04:58,138 the story about, about Achilles. 967 01:04:58,943 --> 01:05:02,663 Um, like that was a very interesting story where basically like in the 968 01:05:02,663 --> 01:05:07,393 movie itself, like it's, you know, that this character, this Machilis, he had 969 01:05:07,483 --> 01:05:11,193 a total, like, you know, a choice in life to go ahead and, you know, like 970 01:05:11,193 --> 01:05:16,553 have kids, have like, you know, that he would basically be guaranteed to 971 01:05:16,553 --> 01:05:19,933 have, you know, a good wife and a lot of kids who will love them and he will 972 01:05:19,943 --> 01:05:22,413 have a very happy and fulfilling life. 973 01:05:22,963 --> 01:05:24,713 But there was also the other option. 974 01:05:25,123 --> 01:05:31,133 Where he would not go ahead and have any of that like family stuff, but actually 975 01:05:31,143 --> 01:05:36,793 go into like, you know, the Troy war and try to write his name into the history 976 01:05:36,793 --> 01:05:38,583 books for like thousands of years. 977 01:05:39,083 --> 01:05:43,223 I think those kind of goals of like people actually wanting to, you know, 978 01:05:43,223 --> 01:05:48,203 like basically be remembered or do something useful that will be then 979 01:05:48,213 --> 01:05:49,743 remembered for thousands of years. 980 01:05:50,403 --> 01:05:51,673 That's like, you know. 981 01:05:52,263 --> 01:05:55,853 Proper goals, like that's what we should be all looking for, you know, like, 982 01:05:56,806 --> 01:06:01,476 Yeah, but if it's too easy and you're already accomplished, like, building 983 01:06:01,486 --> 01:06:06,956 better Bitcoin privacy tools, uh There's nothing stopping you from 984 01:06:06,956 --> 01:06:10,586 getting the family after you're done with all the heroic stuff, right? 985 01:06:11,251 --> 01:06:12,381 yeah, yeah, sure. 986 01:06:12,391 --> 01:06:15,791 And I mean, I'm not saying that, like, fixing Bitcoin privacy is too easy, 987 01:06:15,791 --> 01:06:19,891 but it's kind of like, it was too easy to find a very meaningful thing to do. 988 01:06:20,181 --> 01:06:26,721 And now I'm kind of like, in a, in a search of like, even bigger meaning. 989 01:06:27,056 --> 01:06:29,416 Even yeah, something more. 990 01:06:30,006 --> 01:06:31,406 So do you think that ever ends? 991 01:06:31,446 --> 01:06:34,646 Even if you find something bigger and more important to work on, whatever 992 01:06:34,646 --> 01:06:36,546 that is, world peace or whatever. 993 01:06:36,976 --> 01:06:41,386 Uh, I guess you could say Bitcoin privacy is world peace, but it takes a while. 994 01:06:41,726 --> 01:06:46,696 But, uh, like, don't you think there's always a bigger fist to catch? 995 01:06:46,716 --> 01:06:51,036 And like, you never get satisfied from just fulfilling I know that, 996 01:06:51,066 --> 01:06:55,041 that's From, from experience, whenever I set up a goal and I achieve 997 01:06:55,041 --> 01:06:58,191 something, I, I want the next thing. 998 01:06:58,191 --> 01:06:59,211 I want to up my game. 999 01:06:59,628 --> 01:07:01,938 Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you. 1000 01:07:01,938 --> 01:07:06,048 Like, want seems to be also like something that is just hard coded in us, because 1001 01:07:06,068 --> 01:07:10,828 if we would kind of like, end up not wanting things, it's kind of like, 1002 01:07:10,828 --> 01:07:13,018 you know, there is no need for action. 1003 01:07:13,513 --> 01:07:20,543 And I think we would kind of like lose the passion or like, you know, to live. 1004 01:07:21,103 --> 01:07:25,053 Uh, so I think wants are one of the things that kind of like keeps us going and I 1005 01:07:25,083 --> 01:07:26,643 think they will grow up all the time. 1006 01:07:27,003 --> 01:07:32,243 But I also have noticed exactly like that setting yourself too low of goals 1007 01:07:32,263 --> 01:07:34,633 or goals that you can actually achieve. 1008 01:07:35,113 --> 01:07:40,083 It's very, very dangerous, at least, at least for a while, because like, 1009 01:07:40,303 --> 01:07:45,493 if you set yourself too easy of goals, and you actually achieve them, you will 1010 01:07:45,493 --> 01:07:51,093 be totally like, you know, unhappy, or you will at least be left with no 1011 01:07:51,093 --> 01:07:53,173 other plans or no other things to do. 1012 01:07:53,173 --> 01:07:56,003 And you kind of have to find new meaning again. 1013 01:07:56,468 --> 01:07:59,708 So that's why I feel like, you know, shooting for the stars, like, you 1014 01:07:59,708 --> 01:08:03,328 know, what Elon Musk is wanting to do, like, okay, let's go and put people 1015 01:08:03,328 --> 01:08:07,908 into Mars, like something this crazy will actually keep him, you know, 1016 01:08:07,908 --> 01:08:10,078 like driven for a long, long time. 1017 01:08:10,598 --> 01:08:13,448 Like, don't set too easy goals for yourself, basically. 1018 01:08:14,063 --> 01:08:17,723 Don't you think that's a problem, though, with, like, the whole internet 1019 01:08:17,723 --> 01:08:22,633 generation that has grown up with, you know, it's like the, uh, IDN Fight Club, 1020 01:08:22,643 --> 01:08:28,491 that everyone grew up, raised by their mothers and, uh, uh, wanting to be, were 1021 01:08:28,491 --> 01:08:32,301 told by the media that they would be rock stars and movie stars and whatnot. 1022 01:08:32,796 --> 01:08:38,658 And none of that comes true later in life, so like, what I'm trying to say is that, 1023 01:08:38,738 --> 01:08:44,788 uh, isn't it a problem that people can't be, if everyone had the goal of, you know, 1024 01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:50,118 building a rocket that takes us to Mars or something, like, no one would be satisfied 1025 01:08:50,118 --> 01:08:52,548 with just being a baker, or a garbage man. 1026 01:08:52,788 --> 01:08:55,218 Like, don't we need, like, people for everything? 1027 01:08:55,713 --> 01:08:59,823 And people taking pride in the, in easy small jobs like, 1028 01:09:00,194 --> 01:09:05,104 I mean, I think that all of the jobs are in some sense really important, 1029 01:09:05,124 --> 01:09:08,994 and it's good that there is people who are kind of like satisfied. 1030 01:09:09,464 --> 01:09:13,454 With that, but it's like, it's just good, basically, from my perspective, 1031 01:09:14,484 --> 01:09:17,874 like, I mean, it's, it's might be good for them to like, you know, they might 1032 01:09:17,874 --> 01:09:20,064 be happy and then it's totally okay. 1033 01:09:20,674 --> 01:09:26,144 But at least, like, to me, it feels a little bit bad to say that I'm 1034 01:09:26,144 --> 01:09:30,134 happy that other people are okay with, like, less because it just 1035 01:09:30,134 --> 01:09:31,964 seems to be a thing that benefits me. 1036 01:09:32,364 --> 01:09:37,014 I kind of feel like, you know, from totally, uh, from totally unbiased 1037 01:09:37,064 --> 01:09:40,224 point of view, I kind of feel like we should be endorsing everyone to 1038 01:09:40,224 --> 01:09:44,704 be as great as they can and shoot for the stars, like, you know, to try 1039 01:09:44,704 --> 01:09:46,204 to do something really meaningful. 1040 01:09:46,204 --> 01:09:49,684 I know that that's not something that could actually happen and that 1041 01:09:49,684 --> 01:09:53,904 would, you know, result into a lot of chaos in the world, but at least for, 1042 01:09:53,984 --> 01:09:58,294 you know, the sovereign individuals, the people who really want to try to 1043 01:09:58,294 --> 01:10:00,084 make a big difference in the world. 1044 01:10:00,999 --> 01:10:05,429 I think that's just a beautiful thing that they are not like, you know, happy with. 1045 01:10:06,154 --> 01:10:09,564 With normal stuff that they are actually pushing for something 1046 01:10:09,564 --> 01:10:11,264 like even better and greater. 1047 01:10:12,429 --> 01:10:12,729 Yeah. 1048 01:10:12,729 --> 01:10:17,939 Which is why it's, why it's so reinvigorating or to go to a Bitcoin 1049 01:10:17,939 --> 01:10:20,699 conference and meet all these people that are actually trying to do that. 1050 01:10:20,759 --> 01:10:22,439 That's like fantastic. 1051 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:23,789 Like, look at these people. 1052 01:10:23,794 --> 01:10:29,619 They, they're not caring what other people tell them they can and cannot do. 1053 01:10:29,619 --> 01:10:33,409 They're just, they just do stuff and build a better world. 1054 01:10:33,589 --> 01:10:34,864 Uh, yeah, I think it's beautiful. 1055 01:10:35,427 --> 01:10:40,137 Yeah, I mean, ambition itself, like, you know, it's always so nice to be able 1056 01:10:40,137 --> 01:10:44,117 to like, you know, see in Bitcoin and like, you know, these kind of sovereign 1057 01:10:44,117 --> 01:10:48,567 engineering space, for example, they see so much like passionate people who 1058 01:10:48,567 --> 01:10:51,997 are not just, you know, looking into like, okay, I want to go ahead and like 1059 01:10:51,997 --> 01:10:55,027 build a software that will generate me like a few thousand dollars per month. 1060 01:10:55,027 --> 01:10:55,537 And that's it. 1061 01:10:55,537 --> 01:10:57,077 Like, That's what I'm looking for. 1062 01:10:57,077 --> 01:10:59,707 But there's a lot of people who actually want to go ahead and 1063 01:10:59,777 --> 01:11:01,017 like change the whole world. 1064 01:11:01,347 --> 01:11:02,667 Like, you know, just like Bitcoiners. 1065 01:11:02,697 --> 01:11:05,517 But, you know, it's, it's also talk is cheap. 1066 01:11:05,617 --> 01:11:08,097 A lot of people would want to go ahead and say that they want to 1067 01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:09,057 go ahead and change the world. 1068 01:11:09,057 --> 01:11:11,167 But it exactly requires a lot of commitment. 1069 01:11:11,507 --> 01:11:16,257 And it requires a lot of, um, like refraining yourself from doing these 1070 01:11:16,257 --> 01:11:21,517 like weird, uh, automated actions that will just basically be time sink traps. 1071 01:11:59,505 --> 01:12:03,755 so how do you, how do you focus, like, how do you force yourself to focus 1072 01:12:03,755 --> 01:12:09,789 and how do you, like, make the work ethic become a reality, like, some 1073 01:12:09,789 --> 01:12:12,769 trips, text, trip, trick, some tips? 1074 01:12:13,684 --> 01:12:17,164 Well, at least for me, like one of the best things that, like, it's very 1075 01:12:17,164 --> 01:12:21,944 unintuitive, but I really love this idea of like responsibility maximalism. 1076 01:12:23,004 --> 01:12:27,954 So, like, basically, for example, how I see things in my life is that everything 1077 01:12:27,954 --> 01:12:31,004 that happens is totally my fault. 1078 01:12:31,774 --> 01:12:36,084 Like, I mean, not completely always, and I don't blame myself for some of 1079 01:12:36,084 --> 01:12:39,514 the things that are happening, like, I just practically kind of control 1080 01:12:39,514 --> 01:12:43,634 things, but the point is that I don't blame anything that happens, 1081 01:12:43,654 --> 01:12:45,054 especially like negative things. 1082 01:12:45,364 --> 01:12:47,194 I do not blame them on others. 1083 01:12:47,884 --> 01:12:52,514 If there is, you know, like after something bad happens, I always 1084 01:12:52,954 --> 01:12:57,094 kind of think about it myself, like, could I have done something better? 1085 01:12:57,134 --> 01:13:00,274 Could I have, like, let's say, if it's like another person not 1086 01:13:00,274 --> 01:13:03,534 showing up at the right time, like, could I have informed him better? 1087 01:13:03,564 --> 01:13:06,934 Could I have, like, you know, sent another message, reminder, 1088 01:13:06,934 --> 01:13:08,344 like, could I have done better? 1089 01:13:08,634 --> 01:13:10,044 And usually their answer is yes. 1090 01:13:10,619 --> 01:13:15,339 So blaming the other person is kind of just a way to push the responsibility out 1091 01:13:15,339 --> 01:13:20,029 of yourself and that's, that's kind of like, you know, if you start blaming other 1092 01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:25,329 things for, or like other people, or, you know, for all of the negative things that 1093 01:13:25,339 --> 01:13:29,619 happen in your life, you will never really want to go ahead and like, think about 1094 01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:31,959 how to fix them, how to improve yourself. 1095 01:13:32,354 --> 01:13:36,144 So taking full responsibility of all of your actions, I feel like that's 1096 01:13:36,764 --> 01:13:41,394 one of the most important things that at least I have learned, and like, 1097 01:13:41,414 --> 01:13:46,304 that's how that has made me to really carefully consider in what kind of 1098 01:13:46,304 --> 01:13:48,074 a game do I want to put myself into. 1099 01:13:48,799 --> 01:13:52,259 Like, what kind of, like, do I even want to start, for example, like, this 1100 01:13:52,569 --> 01:13:58,469 possible relationship, like, you know, chess match, uh, you know, like, and 1101 01:13:58,509 --> 01:14:03,619 I, I try to exactly like, you know, think of my actions before I do them 1102 01:14:03,879 --> 01:14:08,109 because of this responsibility idea. 1103 01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:10,999 I think that's a, that's a good one. 1104 01:14:11,939 --> 01:14:14,519 And in general, like, of course, prioritization. 1105 01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:19,109 So, like I said, there's a lot of very cool things. 1106 01:14:19,694 --> 01:14:23,624 But like, you have to kind of go through really brutally, you know, like, write 1107 01:14:23,624 --> 01:14:27,874 them down, like, what are the really the biggest or the most important things? 1108 01:14:27,874 --> 01:14:30,164 Like, you know, there's, there's what is important. 1109 01:14:30,794 --> 01:14:33,004 And then there's the thing of like, what is urgent? 1110 01:14:34,424 --> 01:14:37,904 And like the, you know, there's a lot and a lot of important things. 1111 01:14:38,994 --> 01:14:45,704 But there's, like, the urgency is kind of like the higher priority, like, we should 1112 01:14:45,704 --> 01:14:50,614 look into, like, you know, what is the immediate action that we first have to fix 1113 01:14:50,684 --> 01:14:52,544 in order to be able to fix the rest of it. 1114 01:14:53,024 --> 01:14:57,304 And like I said, I feel like it's, you know, money, but this same 1115 01:14:57,374 --> 01:15:01,054 idea of like how to prioritize, I think, can be used in like companies 1116 01:15:01,054 --> 01:15:02,894 and in any other projects too. 1117 01:15:03,235 --> 01:15:06,415 It's beautiful, because it's sort of the opposite of victimhood culture, 1118 01:15:06,615 --> 01:15:11,435 like, you're doing the exact opposite of these virtue signaling victims. 1119 01:15:13,075 --> 01:15:17,705 where the game becomes who we should pity the most, and 1120 01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:19,270 Yeah. 1121 01:15:19,355 --> 01:15:20,405 one who gets the reward. 1122 01:15:20,485 --> 01:15:21,135 Well, yeah. 1123 01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:24,620 Uh, way, way sounder way to live life, I think. 1124 01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:27,190 Yep. 1125 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:33,160 And maybe, maybe also like one thing that I would also say that kind of helps 1126 01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:35,510 a lot is to like, you know, meditate. 1127 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,910 And this is also like a very unpopular opinion, but like, you know, there's a 1128 01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:46,160 lot of very, very weird and interesting substances, you know, like out there 1129 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,330 in the world that we already know that are actually like enhancing our 1130 01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:52,350 cognitive capabilities, for example. 1131 01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,840 So, It's just that we're afraid of the trade offs or, you know, like 1132 01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:00,810 the, the possible problems that those might cause, but I mean, I don't want 1133 01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:04,770 to endorse it, but I'm just saying like, people should not be afraid 1134 01:16:04,780 --> 01:16:06,320 of these kind of things either. 1135 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,460 Like, just like, for example, you know, like, uh, back in the, like 1136 01:16:09,460 --> 01:16:12,060 hundreds of years ago or thousands of years ago, like sailors. 1137 01:16:12,750 --> 01:16:17,700 Like, they had to really have, like, huge fucking cojones to really go 1138 01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:21,690 ahead and, like, you know, go with that weird kind of, like, you know, 1139 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,710 wooden boat all the way till, you know, towards the infinite sea. 1140 01:16:27,190 --> 01:16:32,090 Like, you really had to be a little bit crazy, but also, that's the thing 1141 01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:35,910 that was required to actually find something so different, something 1142 01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:40,673 new to bring, like, a whole new continent, basically, for humanity. 1143 01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:45,483 Like, that required some people to actually take the risk of losing their 1144 01:16:45,483 --> 01:16:52,173 mind or their life in order to, you know, be able to explore these areas 1145 01:16:52,193 --> 01:16:54,683 that we are not yet daring to explore. 1146 01:16:55,673 --> 01:17:00,473 So, yeah, that's also something that I would put on the list. 1147 01:17:01,353 --> 01:17:05,903 Yeah, speaking of the list, I saw the, the, the, the last point there is, is 1148 01:17:06,053 --> 01:17:10,313 human rights are a joke, which is, uh, yeah, I'd like to pick your brain on 1149 01:17:10,313 --> 01:17:12,023 that because I have some ideas myself. 1150 01:17:12,823 --> 01:17:18,463 Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, like, we already live in an anarchy. 1151 01:17:18,873 --> 01:17:23,523 It's just that most of people are really, really bad at defending themselves. 1152 01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:27,980 you know, there is no human rights, like whatever there is, you know, like a 1153 01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:32,255 lot of People saying every now and then like, oh, right to privacy or whatever, 1154 01:17:32,505 --> 01:17:36,881 like, that's a very fiat concept to do or to even say, you know, there 1155 01:17:36,881 --> 01:17:39,451 is no right for basically anything. 1156 01:17:39,511 --> 01:17:45,453 It's just especially like right for a privacy, for example, like, to me, these 1157 01:17:45,453 --> 01:17:49,533 are just like weird concepts that are kind of like, you know, relying on some 1158 01:17:49,773 --> 01:17:53,663 authority actually enforcing these, but it's kind of like impossible if you 1159 01:17:53,683 --> 01:17:57,273 don't really like, you know, steal the money out of a lot of people to be able 1160 01:17:57,273 --> 01:17:59,893 to fund that kind of a conglomerate. 1161 01:18:00,703 --> 01:18:06,613 So, to me, well, yeah, human rights is just something that at least 1162 01:18:06,673 --> 01:18:12,673 Bitcoiners should not be, you know, kind of appealing to in arguments. 1163 01:18:13,428 --> 01:18:18,198 Well, this is a great topic because, like, um, you can differentiate between 1164 01:18:18,228 --> 01:18:22,378 positive rights and negative rights, and positive rights are the ones that, 1165 01:18:22,658 --> 01:18:27,268 you know, free housing, free food, whatever, um, healthcare, uh, all 1166 01:18:27,268 --> 01:18:32,388 of them require a violation of some other person's negative right, which 1167 01:18:32,388 --> 01:18:37,528 is basically the, the only thing you could argue for being a universal human 1168 01:18:37,528 --> 01:18:43,188 right that is true for all people at all times is the right to be left alone. 1169 01:18:44,078 --> 01:18:48,347 Like, uh, basically the non aggression principle, uh, because 1170 01:18:48,347 --> 01:18:51,297 it's the only one that can be true for all people at all times. 1171 01:18:51,927 --> 01:18:58,670 And also, arguing against it is arguing against the very act of argumentation. 1172 01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:03,180 Because if I argue against you owning your own body, and by 1173 01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:10,625 extension your stuff, uh, if, if you try to, uh, Refute that argument. 1174 01:19:10,725 --> 01:19:12,775 You have to use your body to do that. 1175 01:19:12,785 --> 01:19:17,755 So you show, with your action of arguing, you show me that you 1176 01:19:17,755 --> 01:19:20,735 accept that I own my body too. 1177 01:19:20,815 --> 01:19:26,485 And that through argumentation, we can't really argue with one another without 1178 01:19:26,505 --> 01:19:30,335 accepting the non aggression principle to be the cornerstone of everything. 1179 01:19:31,065 --> 01:19:36,686 Because it's implicit in the Implicit in the very act of arguing, and therefore 1180 01:19:36,686 --> 01:19:41,646 we can sort of deduct that the only right that can actually be a universal 1181 01:19:41,666 --> 01:19:43,666 right is the right to be left alone. 1182 01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,119 Yeah, I kind of understand that. 1183 01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:49,869 But I also, like, I wonder exactly, like, to what extent are we 1184 01:19:49,869 --> 01:19:51,419 considering now, like, left alone? 1185 01:19:51,429 --> 01:19:53,539 Like what you said, like, you know, for a physical space. 1186 01:19:54,029 --> 01:19:56,559 I mean, I kind of totally agree, and I would want that. 1187 01:19:56,559 --> 01:20:01,299 But I also feel like, you know, it really depends on, like, what 1188 01:20:01,329 --> 01:20:03,099 we classify as being left alone. 1189 01:20:03,109 --> 01:20:08,269 Like, you know, like, if it's me looking at another person, like, you know, is that 1190 01:20:08,469 --> 01:20:10,549 kind of like me not leaving them alone? 1191 01:20:11,099 --> 01:20:15,129 And then it, then it all, like, if it is, you know, like, I cannot really 1192 01:20:15,179 --> 01:20:19,039 watch them or look at them or like that they would have the right to, 1193 01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:24,039 to build some kind of a wall around themselves, um, would basically just 1194 01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:26,349 mean that we need a lot of resources. 1195 01:20:26,419 --> 01:20:30,719 And the more people there are, the smaller, the The area basically gets 1196 01:20:30,759 --> 01:20:35,199 unless we somehow create more of earth or, you know, find other planets 1197 01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:36,709 to populate or something like that. 1198 01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:38,709 But I, I agree with you. 1199 01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:42,629 Like, I agree with the non aggression principle as not as like a right, 1200 01:20:43,029 --> 01:20:47,749 but as something that's, you know, as a agreed code for, let's 1201 01:20:47,749 --> 01:20:51,489 say, morally like sane people. 1202 01:20:52,185 --> 01:20:57,825 Yeah, I don't think, like, right might be the word, but the word is It's 1203 01:20:57,835 --> 01:21:01,815 flawed, but it's still one of the best words we have for it because, 1204 01:21:01,825 --> 01:21:05,725 like, I don't think there's a world where everyone lives by this, right? 1205 01:21:05,745 --> 01:21:10,745 It's just impossible, because we're always going to have conflict about property, 1206 01:21:10,775 --> 01:21:14,895 like, and about land, and everything. 1207 01:21:16,425 --> 01:21:19,975 It's just that if you want to be civilized, and if you want to do 1208 01:21:20,015 --> 01:21:24,205 things in a civilized way, then that should be the core principle. 1209 01:21:24,575 --> 01:21:27,535 And it should, should be more important than everything else. 1210 01:21:27,805 --> 01:21:31,545 Free speech, for instance, and freedom of expression, and, like, the things 1211 01:21:31,545 --> 01:21:37,265 you said to privacy, they're all, uh, downstream to property rights. 1212 01:21:37,485 --> 01:21:42,825 Because if, if there's no such thing as a public space, then Whoever owns 1213 01:21:42,825 --> 01:21:44,365 the property gets to set the rules. 1214 01:21:44,395 --> 01:21:54,275 If I own, uh, Riverside, or X, or Twitter, I set the rules of who gets to say what on 1215 01:21:54,275 --> 01:21:56,255 that platform, because it's my platform. 1216 01:21:56,865 --> 01:22:01,945 So, and, and, so therefore, freedom of speech laws are, they're a mirage. 1217 01:22:01,985 --> 01:22:06,225 They're, they're Redundant, because like, in order for there to have to 1218 01:22:06,225 --> 01:22:10,445 be free speech laws, that implies that there is public space, or something 1219 01:22:10,445 --> 01:22:14,215 public, is publicly owned, which has to be preceded by a violation 1220 01:22:14,235 --> 01:22:15,465 of the right to be left alone. 1221 01:22:15,495 --> 01:22:17,365 You have to take stuff from others. 1222 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:23,306 In order to build a public space, so, so, uh, and I think that's, that's 1223 01:22:23,306 --> 01:22:24,506 true for the privacy thing too. 1224 01:22:24,546 --> 01:22:28,086 There's a great book about this that Max recommended to me, um, The 1225 01:22:28,086 --> 01:22:30,466 Ethics of Liberty by Mario Rothbard. 1226 01:22:31,296 --> 01:22:34,336 Uh, highly recommended, yeah, he lays it out very well 1227 01:22:34,336 --> 01:22:36,306 where, where to draw the lines. 1228 01:22:36,694 --> 01:22:39,764 Yeah, and also there's, uh, I don't know if you guys have heard 1229 01:22:39,764 --> 01:22:44,134 about the book, um, Defending the Undefendable by Walter Block. 1230 01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:46,350 Oh yeah, yeah, that's on my reading list. 1231 01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:49,670 I haven't read it yet, but yep, I need to read that. 1232 01:22:50,155 --> 01:22:53,365 There's two versions of it, and you can also, uh, like, listen 1233 01:22:53,365 --> 01:22:55,285 to it as an audiobook in YouTube. 1234 01:22:55,285 --> 01:22:58,855 Uh, there's all the chapters in there, but they also have, like, a very, 1235 01:22:58,855 --> 01:23:01,475 very good, like, arguments over there. 1236 01:23:01,475 --> 01:23:04,635 It's basically like, you know, like, Austrian economics based book. 1237 01:23:04,745 --> 01:23:09,250 Uh, it's just like It's just basically looking into a lot of these like, you 1238 01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:13,410 know, people or groups of people or like, let's say jobs of some people 1239 01:23:13,710 --> 01:23:17,480 that are generally considered either by the government or by generally like 1240 01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:19,600 people as a negative or a bad thing. 1241 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,930 And one of the things is like, you know, over there is like about the peeping Tom. 1242 01:23:24,575 --> 01:23:27,465 So like a guy who kind of like, you know, pokes his head around, like, you 1243 01:23:27,465 --> 01:23:30,845 know, just lurking and, you know, like trying to, to look for like, you know, 1244 01:23:30,955 --> 01:23:36,265 cigarettes or whatever, like, there's a very good defense speech, how the peeping 1245 01:23:36,295 --> 01:23:38,155 Tom is not really doing anything wrong. 1246 01:23:38,505 --> 01:23:40,625 Like, people have no right to privacy. 1247 01:23:40,865 --> 01:23:44,775 Like, if you have your own private property, yeah, do ahead, whatever 1248 01:23:44,775 --> 01:23:47,395 you want, but like, there is no right to privacy, you just have 1249 01:23:47,405 --> 01:23:50,305 to make sure that you are not heard if you really want privacy. 1250 01:23:50,645 --> 01:23:53,925 It's all up to you, full responsibility, no blaming others. 1251 01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,120 But yeah, there's a lot of very interesting chapters 1252 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,790 in there, so definitely that one is also very recommended. 1253 01:24:00,473 --> 01:24:01,683 What is it Mille says? 1254 01:24:02,153 --> 01:24:03,703 Viva libertad, carajo. 1255 01:24:04,493 --> 01:24:05,213 Exactly. 1256 01:24:05,253 --> 01:24:05,913 Exactly. 1257 01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:09,803 By the way, one more thing that I kind of wanted to mention, maybe over here, 1258 01:24:09,803 --> 01:24:13,353 like, you know, the censorship topic and it kind of like related to exactly 1259 01:24:13,353 --> 01:24:18,233 like, you know, these rights that people consider that they have or not don't have. 1260 01:24:18,753 --> 01:24:23,303 So, like, you know, what, what was really interesting to see now, like, 1261 01:24:23,813 --> 01:24:29,113 already now, a few months ago was, you know, the ocean mining, um, and it's 1262 01:24:29,233 --> 01:24:32,093 so called, you know, censorship of. 1263 01:24:32,638 --> 01:24:36,748 You know, whatever, inscriptions, or even samurai will pull transactions. 1264 01:24:37,148 --> 01:24:38,308 That was also pretty hilarious. 1265 01:24:39,518 --> 01:24:43,028 You know, what I'm really disappointed is exactly like people not using the 1266 01:24:43,028 --> 01:24:47,598 word censorship in any coherent way, or at least according to my knowledge. 1267 01:24:47,908 --> 01:24:55,938 So, like, to me, like, at least according to Austrian economics, you can do 1268 01:24:55,948 --> 01:24:58,018 with your property, whatever you want. 1269 01:24:58,563 --> 01:25:02,303 And if you don't want to go ahead and like, for example, let everyone use 1270 01:25:02,303 --> 01:25:07,593 your server to, to communicate, or you don't want, you know, to include all of 1271 01:25:07,653 --> 01:25:13,703 the weird shitcoin stuff into your own nodes, like, you know, uh, SSD, you don't 1272 01:25:13,713 --> 01:25:19,143 need to, it's your private property, and calling that censorship is just, um. 1273 01:25:19,928 --> 01:25:23,238 Immensely like weird to me or like very naive. 1274 01:25:23,733 --> 01:25:24,483 It's vulgar. 1275 01:25:24,718 --> 01:25:29,288 I mean, if there is these, you know, like rights, the right for you to 1276 01:25:29,368 --> 01:25:33,808 choose who do you do business with or whose data are you storing? 1277 01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:36,208 Or like, who do you want to even communicate with? 1278 01:25:36,518 --> 01:25:38,518 It is much, much higher. 1279 01:25:38,738 --> 01:25:41,978 Then some weird like social, you know, virtue signaling of like, 1280 01:25:41,978 --> 01:25:43,438 Oh, we have to accept everyone. 1281 01:25:43,438 --> 01:25:46,778 And, you know, like all data is like equal, like bullshit. 1282 01:25:47,038 --> 01:25:51,048 This is so stupid and like naive from Bitcoiners to even say that, like, 1283 01:25:51,048 --> 01:25:56,398 at least in my understanding, only like governments can censor things. 1284 01:25:56,723 --> 01:26:00,923 Like, only governments have basically promised, like, other people some 1285 01:26:00,923 --> 01:26:04,093 services, and they have taken the money and kind of, like, said that, okay, 1286 01:26:04,133 --> 01:26:08,343 these will be available for you, but then the government might go ahead and, you 1287 01:26:08,343 --> 01:26:09,873 know, like, start restricting things. 1288 01:26:09,913 --> 01:26:11,563 That's what I call, like, censorship. 1289 01:26:11,938 --> 01:26:14,678 Everything else is just private individuals choosing 1290 01:26:14,728 --> 01:26:15,828 who they do business with. 1291 01:26:16,793 --> 01:26:19,643 I wouldn't say only governments, I would say all criminals, 1292 01:26:19,643 --> 01:26:20,853 and not only governments. 1293 01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:23,393 But every criminal institution, consensor. 1294 01:26:23,683 --> 01:26:25,603 Like, because it requires force. 1295 01:26:25,873 --> 01:26:26,893 That's, that's key. 1296 01:26:27,918 --> 01:26:32,758 Well, but I think like, for example, like Twitter, like it's a private company and 1297 01:26:32,908 --> 01:26:36,758 for example, if they want to go ahead and kick someone out of their platform, even 1298 01:26:36,758 --> 01:26:41,648 though I might not like it, I think the right of them to be able to choose who 1299 01:26:41,658 --> 01:26:45,888 they serve or who they do business with, whose data are they storing, I think it's 1300 01:26:45,888 --> 01:26:50,118 even higher than kind of like, you know, just my opinion for that specific person. 1301 01:26:50,418 --> 01:26:50,928 Like I cannot. 1302 01:26:51,893 --> 01:26:55,313 I cannot explain it to myself, like, why would, let's say, Twitter 1303 01:26:55,323 --> 01:26:58,583 have to go ahead and, like, serve people who they don't want to. 1304 01:26:59,883 --> 01:27:04,323 So, my point was basically just that, you know, that ocean mining, in my opinion, 1305 01:27:04,353 --> 01:27:06,343 is not really, like, censoring anything. 1306 01:27:06,913 --> 01:27:07,943 Absolutely not. 1307 01:27:08,153 --> 01:27:08,253 The 1308 01:27:08,783 --> 01:27:12,083 yeah, like, they are, like, we can call it, let's say, filtering or 1309 01:27:12,083 --> 01:27:14,173 whatever, and that's totally okay. 1310 01:27:14,253 --> 01:27:16,673 They are not forced by the government to do it. 1311 01:27:17,413 --> 01:27:19,563 So I would not call it censorship. 1312 01:27:20,287 --> 01:27:24,026 tricky thing, though, with Twitter, for instance, is when, whatever 1313 01:27:24,036 --> 01:27:29,456 decisions the, the government makes about Twitter, like how much taxes 1314 01:27:29,486 --> 01:27:34,946 Elon needs to pay or something, and then by proxy force, force him to, uh, 1315 01:27:35,016 --> 01:27:39,396 to throw someone off of Twitter, then it is censorship, like, because these 1316 01:27:39,416 --> 01:27:45,506 things do get kept, uh, captivated by government institutions, uh, very often, 1317 01:27:45,506 --> 01:27:47,286 and especially if they get too big. 1318 01:27:47,331 --> 01:27:52,011 So that's the thing, I think that's the core of the problem, that there 1319 01:27:52,241 --> 01:27:56,221 will always be criminals who will use force to force people to do stuff. 1320 01:27:58,001 --> 01:27:59,321 That's why we have the problems. 1321 01:28:00,084 --> 01:28:00,264 Yep. 1322 01:28:00,404 --> 01:28:00,694 Yep. 1323 01:28:01,024 --> 01:28:01,784 And that's the thing. 1324 01:28:01,784 --> 01:28:05,214 I also would like to kind of, you know, like be careful of like with the, 1325 01:28:05,574 --> 01:28:08,894 uh, with the exact wording of like, let's say that if the government is 1326 01:28:08,894 --> 01:28:13,514 pressuring Twitter to kick someone out, I think the government is censoring. 1327 01:28:14,064 --> 01:28:20,264 Twitter has basically the, the option of like, you know, just shutting their whole 1328 01:28:20,264 --> 01:28:23,614 business down because they don't want to kick one guy out of it, or, you know, like 1329 01:28:23,614 --> 01:28:27,184 they don't want to obey the government or something like that, but it's totally 1330 01:28:27,184 --> 01:28:30,244 understandable that they probably will just go ahead and then kick out this 1331 01:28:30,244 --> 01:28:35,564 one guy because they are pressured to do so, but I think it would still, I would 1332 01:28:35,564 --> 01:28:41,649 call it that it's Twitter's personal decision, uh, to do so, even, but they 1333 01:28:41,649 --> 01:28:44,279 are heavily, like, pressured to censor. 1334 01:28:44,509 --> 01:28:47,389 But they are not, like, they are not censoring, they are just choosing 1335 01:28:47,419 --> 01:28:49,079 who they serve or what they do. 1336 01:28:49,559 --> 01:28:51,099 Uh, it's the government that censors. 1337 01:28:52,008 --> 01:28:56,848 And this is so bad because everything is intertwined with government action, 1338 01:28:56,858 --> 01:29:01,748 like every person's every decision is colored by the fact that we have 1339 01:29:01,748 --> 01:29:04,478 governments meddling with people's lives. 1340 01:29:05,758 --> 01:29:09,348 Alright, so, yeah, I had a random thought this morning about this. 1341 01:29:09,768 --> 01:29:15,598 Is, is, um, is God the ultimate central planner and interventionist? 1342 01:29:16,678 --> 01:29:18,108 I think that's a good question for you. 1343 01:29:19,819 --> 01:29:24,749 I mean, I think it just depends on, like, what do we think as God, because, 1344 01:29:24,749 --> 01:29:30,724 like, Like to me, the idea of like having one creator is just something 1345 01:29:30,734 --> 01:29:34,614 that doesn't compute in my head because like, even like, you know, especially all 1346 01:29:34,634 --> 01:29:38,664 Bitcoiners, like we have heard of the, like the concept of division of labor 1347 01:29:39,304 --> 01:29:43,554 and the whole idea that, you know, it's just one thing or one creature that has 1348 01:29:43,644 --> 01:29:49,474 created everything instead of like, you know, a group or, you know, multiple of 1349 01:29:49,514 --> 01:29:51,404 gods or whatever we want to call them. 1350 01:29:52,204 --> 01:29:52,724 I think. 1351 01:29:52,724 --> 01:29:52,794 Yeah. 1352 01:29:53,299 --> 01:29:59,469 Yeah, the having multiple things involved in the whole creation is more likely, 1353 01:29:59,699 --> 01:30:02,409 but like, is it like, centrally planned? 1354 01:30:03,499 --> 01:30:03,969 Yeah. 1355 01:30:04,989 --> 01:30:06,569 I mean, that's a very good question. 1356 01:30:07,095 --> 01:30:09,028 I 1357 01:30:09,598 --> 01:30:12,948 there's, as far as I understand, there are two religious camps 1358 01:30:12,968 --> 01:30:14,188 when it comes to creators. 1359 01:30:14,218 --> 01:30:19,028 And there's one that says that, uh, oh, God just did stuff before the 1360 01:30:19,028 --> 01:30:20,913 Big Bang and set all the parameters. 1361 01:30:21,493 --> 01:30:26,333 And then there's the other group that thinks that they can pray 1362 01:30:26,333 --> 01:30:28,133 and stuff, and God can intervene. 1363 01:30:28,573 --> 01:30:32,333 So either he's a great central planner, or an interventionist. 1364 01:30:33,763 --> 01:30:39,623 And why any of those two would be a good thing, I have a hard time understanding. 1365 01:30:41,889 --> 01:30:48,065 mean, I really love the, you know, was it Epicurean, Dilemma, but 1366 01:30:48,065 --> 01:30:50,765 something like that, you know, like, have you heard of the Epicurean, 1367 01:30:50,885 --> 01:30:52,595 um, like thing regarding God? 1368 01:30:52,935 --> 01:30:56,145 So it's basically like asking, like, is God all powerful? 1369 01:30:56,685 --> 01:31:01,245 And if it's the world is like, if the word is yes, uh, then there is, you 1370 01:31:01,245 --> 01:31:04,485 know, like something like the question of like, okay, well, then why there is 1371 01:31:04,515 --> 01:31:09,875 evil and like, why can't God basically like, you know, just destroy the evil 1372 01:31:09,885 --> 01:31:13,025 or was he aware that there's like, you know, did he create the Satan? 1373 01:31:13,415 --> 01:31:16,235 And if, if yes, why, like. 1374 01:31:16,740 --> 01:31:21,560 And, like, if, like, is Sata more powerful than God, and if not, couldn't 1375 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,060 God just go ahead and get rid of it? 1376 01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:26,660 And, you know, like, if you, like, there's, there's a very good kind of, 1377 01:31:26,660 --> 01:31:30,130 like, you know, train of thought, I can just try to find it quickly over here. 1378 01:31:31,256 --> 01:31:32,576 I think I heard that one. 1379 01:31:32,686 --> 01:31:35,281 It's like, uh A flowchart or something, right? 1380 01:31:36,046 --> 01:31:40,176 Yeah, it's, yeah, exactly, flowchart, and it's, uh, Epicurean paradox. 1381 01:31:41,216 --> 01:31:47,146 So how the idea of an all knowing creature just does not make sense 1382 01:31:47,216 --> 01:31:49,686 at all, like, it defies all logic. 1383 01:31:50,558 --> 01:31:51,088 Oh, okay. 1384 01:31:51,118 --> 01:31:51,338 Yeah. 1385 01:31:51,338 --> 01:31:53,998 So evil exists. 1386 01:31:54,278 --> 01:31:54,778 Yes. 1387 01:31:55,108 --> 01:31:57,578 So can God prevent evil? 1388 01:31:57,858 --> 01:32:00,308 If no, then God is not all powerful. 1389 01:32:00,618 --> 01:32:03,948 If yes, does God know about all the evil? 1390 01:32:04,328 --> 01:32:07,808 If no, then God is not all knowing. 1391 01:32:08,178 --> 01:32:11,728 If yes, does the God want to prevent evil? 1392 01:32:12,278 --> 01:32:15,618 If no, then God is not good, and he is not loving. 1393 01:32:15,788 --> 01:32:19,978 But if he wants to prevent evil, then why is there some evil? 1394 01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:23,430 yeah, so the answers could be like, you know, to test us, but if God 1395 01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:26,570 is all knowing, he should know what we would do if we were tested. 1396 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,670 Therefore, there is no need to test us. 1397 01:32:29,526 --> 01:32:33,286 yeah, you know, there's this, like, very interesting flowchart exactly about, like, 1398 01:32:33,286 --> 01:32:39,092 how a single all knowing thing Probably, like, you know, not the likeliest, 1399 01:32:39,677 --> 01:32:43,477 No, it's, it's basically, it's basically about cognitive dissonance. 1400 01:32:43,757 --> 01:32:47,857 And, uh, you know, back to thinking fast and slow again 1401 01:32:47,857 --> 01:32:50,997 and why our brains are flawed. 1402 01:32:52,192 --> 01:32:52,562 yep. 1403 01:32:52,692 --> 01:32:55,982 And we want to have that weird piece, just like with relationships, like, 1404 01:32:55,982 --> 01:33:00,312 you know, it's, it's just that we feel so bad when there's a void. 1405 01:33:00,942 --> 01:33:06,022 When there's, when you don't know, and you know, like, when you, when you're alone. 1406 01:33:06,342 --> 01:33:11,582 That's, that is really kind of depressing, and like, it's a big pressure. 1407 01:33:12,482 --> 01:33:16,582 But trying to come up with like crazy stories just to, you know, come up 1408 01:33:16,582 --> 01:33:22,482 with a patch to make yourself like a little bit happier, I mean, sure, if 1409 01:33:22,482 --> 01:33:28,662 it helps you go ahead, but just like I think I said it in a previous episode 1410 01:33:28,662 --> 01:33:33,352 of ours, like, you know, Bitcoiners seem to know that People don't need 1411 01:33:33,352 --> 01:33:36,962 laws, uh, to make them act properly. 1412 01:33:37,052 --> 01:33:40,282 Like, you know, the responsible people will know how to act properly. 1413 01:33:40,512 --> 01:33:43,662 The same thing goes with, like, all of these weird God stories. 1414 01:33:43,962 --> 01:33:49,242 Like, if you are moral, like, you will be moral anyway. 1415 01:33:49,242 --> 01:33:52,342 You don't need to hear, like, weird stories about, like, you 1416 01:33:52,382 --> 01:33:55,482 know, random bearded guys splitting oceans and multiplying fish 1417 01:33:55,482 --> 01:33:56,352 and bread and shit like that. 1418 01:33:56,963 --> 01:34:02,333 There's a great Kurzgesagt video called Optimistic Nihilism about this, that there 1419 01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:09,123 is a, like, making a case for a, um, a worldview which accepts that, you know, in 1420 01:34:09,123 --> 01:34:12,913 four billion years the sun will eat us all and we're probably never getting out of 1421 01:34:12,913 --> 01:34:17,153 here and that everything is pointless, but that might not necessarily be a bad thing. 1422 01:34:19,563 --> 01:34:23,803 It, in fact, it might be what gives a lifetime its value, 1423 01:34:23,873 --> 01:34:25,703 that there is no meaning. 1424 01:34:25,713 --> 01:34:27,323 You can make it yourself and you can. 1425 01:34:28,068 --> 01:34:32,258 Since it's scarce, you have a scarce amount of, a finite amount of time, 1426 01:34:32,578 --> 01:34:33,838 that's what makes it valuable. 1427 01:34:34,672 --> 01:34:35,452 And I like that. 1428 01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:41,399 Uh, hey, so, so, um, yeah, we've dug into a whole bunch of topics, uh, I think I 1429 01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:47,019 could either just toss it back to you, any last thoughts, or maybe, maybe just to get 1430 01:34:47,019 --> 01:34:50,184 in a little bit of practical conversation. 1431 01:34:50,194 --> 01:34:53,694 What's, what's going on at Wasabi ZK Snacks these days? 1432 01:34:55,234 --> 01:34:58,094 So, uh, there's a lot of things going on. 1433 01:34:58,144 --> 01:35:02,434 So you guys have, might probably heard already that, uh, well, like two of 1434 01:35:02,434 --> 01:35:07,674 our original founders, so Nopara and Balint, uh, they both now left the 1435 01:35:07,674 --> 01:35:09,984 project, uh, to work on other things. 1436 01:35:10,564 --> 01:35:14,944 Uh, well, they're also getting, you know, like increasing the family 1437 01:35:14,954 --> 01:35:16,744 size and, you know, things like that. 1438 01:35:16,784 --> 01:35:17,034 So. 1439 01:35:17,524 --> 01:35:21,344 Uh, they're taking their time off and well, basically now the 1440 01:35:21,344 --> 01:35:25,374 project seems to be moving into a bit of different directions. 1441 01:35:25,394 --> 01:35:30,474 So instead of just trying to make a very newbie friendly wallet, uh, that is 1442 01:35:30,494 --> 01:35:35,814 very easy by default, uh, like now we're kind of like moving into more of this. 1443 01:35:36,284 --> 01:35:41,474 Like, let's have an easy default, but we also have to have the optional insight 1444 01:35:41,594 --> 01:35:43,654 and the control options for the users. 1445 01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:49,889 So we want to be able to kind of actually show what does, what was, like, wabi 1446 01:35:49,929 --> 01:35:54,249 sabi, allow users to do, what is going on in their coin joints and everything, and 1447 01:35:54,249 --> 01:35:56,129 for even them to be able to tweak things. 1448 01:35:56,689 --> 01:35:59,269 This is, of course, like, you know, uh, there's a risk to it. 1449 01:35:59,289 --> 01:36:02,189 So one of the biggest feedbacks that we got with 1. 1450 01:36:02,189 --> 01:36:06,029 0 was exactly that, even though we warned people for not doing the bad actions or 1451 01:36:06,029 --> 01:36:10,634 stupid actions, They did them anyway, and people then blamed Wasabi for, you know, 1452 01:36:10,634 --> 01:36:15,604 like, not, like, restricting the user from not doing, you know, stupid things. 1453 01:36:16,174 --> 01:36:21,274 Well, we now restricted it, but I don't think that's the best way to go. 1454 01:36:21,424 --> 01:36:25,494 I think, well, Bitcoiners should be responsible. 1455 01:36:25,704 --> 01:36:30,584 They should, and they Like, they should know how things are working, more or less. 1456 01:36:30,584 --> 01:36:32,004 They should do their research. 1457 01:36:32,004 --> 01:36:36,514 They should be able to, like, you know, learn how UTXO model works and how do you 1458 01:36:36,514 --> 01:36:38,474 actually get some privacy in mainchain. 1459 01:36:38,944 --> 01:36:43,924 It's, it should not be just like a black box and you just trust it. 1460 01:36:44,329 --> 01:36:48,749 So yeah, we're taking that risk again, and I'm kind of pretty 1461 01:36:48,749 --> 01:36:50,349 happy with the direction. 1462 01:36:50,349 --> 01:36:53,529 So there's going to be, you know, like, we're going to be working on, 1463 01:36:53,579 --> 01:36:58,399 like, making payments in CoinJoin now in the probably near future. 1464 01:36:58,539 --> 01:37:02,759 So it's not really like a big privacy improvement, but it's definitely 1465 01:37:02,759 --> 01:37:04,089 like an efficiency improvement. 1466 01:37:05,964 --> 01:37:09,924 Well, I mean, we also actually do have like a re a release coming up probably 1467 01:37:09,924 --> 01:37:15,234 now inside a week or something, which is basically like a, a half a year 1468 01:37:15,324 --> 01:37:17,424 of work that we have put out there. 1469 01:37:17,844 --> 01:37:22,164 Uh, we have not made, you know, like a, a proper release now for half a 1470 01:37:22,169 --> 01:37:26,594 year other than the buy anything button that was kind of like a, just a totally 1471 01:37:26,594 --> 01:37:30,914 separate, uh, you know, thing that we added in and put out this version, this. 1472 01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:33,249 Upcoming 2. 1473 01:37:33,249 --> 01:37:33,249 0. 1474 01:37:33,249 --> 01:37:38,059 6, it will have a huge amount of performance improvements, 1475 01:37:38,349 --> 01:37:43,359 new RPC calls, yeah, all kind of really good, good things. 1476 01:37:44,619 --> 01:37:49,139 But yeah, and especially like, you know, well, I would say that, you know, 1477 01:37:49,149 --> 01:37:51,109 keep an eye on the next few releases. 1478 01:37:51,299 --> 01:37:52,999 There's going to be a lot of very cool stuff. 1479 01:37:54,454 --> 01:37:55,614 Cool, great to hear. 1480 01:37:56,254 --> 01:38:00,094 Yeah, the buy anything, that's the collaboration with Shopinbit, right? 1481 01:38:00,959 --> 01:38:01,729 Yes, yes. 1482 01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:03,539 So we basically. 1483 01:38:04,194 --> 01:38:08,574 I wanted to allow, uh, users who are worried that they don't want to go 1484 01:38:08,574 --> 01:38:11,854 ahead and coinjoin because they don't know if their exchanges will give them 1485 01:38:11,854 --> 01:38:16,164 problems, like troubles for having some private or coinjoined coin. 1486 01:38:16,684 --> 01:38:21,079 So, what we wanted to do instead is So basically, you know, cut 1487 01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:24,669 off that fiat exchange, like, you know, off ramp, we don't need that. 1488 01:38:24,979 --> 01:38:27,909 Like, let's actually endorse, you know, circular Bitcoin economy. 1489 01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:33,249 Let's allow people to buy basically anything legal, um, 1490 01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:35,089 like with their private Bitcoin. 1491 01:38:35,989 --> 01:38:37,929 In the most private possible way. 1492 01:38:38,529 --> 01:38:43,759 So, like, you know, like, we do still have, like, all of the communication that 1493 01:38:43,759 --> 01:38:47,909 you, uh, like, you know, have with the concierge through the buy anything button 1494 01:38:48,219 --> 01:38:53,319 that will all go through TOR and it's only between, like, uh, the client and 1495 01:38:53,369 --> 01:38:57,874 the shopping bit, like, for example, TK Snacks, Doesn't know anything about it, 1496 01:38:58,694 --> 01:39:00,474 but it's none of their business anyway. 1497 01:39:01,514 --> 01:39:06,894 This will basically allow you to talk with a concierge with Tor on by default. 1498 01:39:07,234 --> 01:39:09,964 So you don't have to worry about like your IP addresses also 1499 01:39:09,964 --> 01:39:11,164 leaking into the wrong place. 1500 01:39:11,564 --> 01:39:14,154 And I mean, we cannot teleport you stuff. 1501 01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:18,259 Like, that's something that we haven't yet figured out, so we, like, you know, 1502 01:39:18,259 --> 01:39:21,749 of course, the concierge service will need some kind of an address where to 1503 01:39:21,779 --> 01:39:26,629 send and shift the stuff, but the good parts of it is also that, like, let's say 1504 01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:29,889 you have, you know, like, 10 different items all over the world from different 1505 01:39:29,889 --> 01:39:33,629 countries, different vendors that you are interested in buying, instead of you 1506 01:39:33,649 --> 01:39:36,979 having to go ahead and, like, actually negotiate them with them yourself to 1507 01:39:36,979 --> 01:39:38,119 be able to buy in Bitcoin, Bitcoin. 1508 01:39:38,504 --> 01:39:42,534 And then you have to send all of the 10 different people all of your, like, 1509 01:39:42,624 --> 01:39:44,524 you know, uh, mailing information. 1510 01:39:45,344 --> 01:39:50,004 Now, you can just go ahead and basically send it to, uh, through 1511 01:39:50,004 --> 01:39:51,954 this concierge service in Wasabi. 1512 01:39:52,669 --> 01:39:57,369 And you send it to one person who will then go ahead and order everything 1513 01:39:57,369 --> 01:40:01,339 you need from all of these different places all over the world, and they 1514 01:40:01,339 --> 01:40:03,049 will not use your shipping address. 1515 01:40:03,429 --> 01:40:07,399 They will, like, the shopping bit will be basically ordering all of the stuff 1516 01:40:07,399 --> 01:40:11,349 that you want to their warehouse, where they can also go ahead and 1517 01:40:11,449 --> 01:40:15,429 repackage it, uh, to make sure that the packages are actually private. 1518 01:40:16,014 --> 01:40:19,764 And then they will only ship it to you, so there is no need to share your 1519 01:40:19,804 --> 01:40:23,724 address or, you know, like any of that stuff with a lot of different merchants. 1520 01:40:24,464 --> 01:40:27,924 So it's a, it's a very cool kind of like, you know, a virtual assistant 1521 01:40:27,924 --> 01:40:29,674 that can get you a lot of stuff. 1522 01:40:30,214 --> 01:40:34,314 Of course, like there's a huge demand for it, so now it's like restricted that I 1523 01:40:34,314 --> 01:40:38,904 think the order should be like in total above 1, 000 or something like that. 1524 01:40:39,454 --> 01:40:43,154 But there seems to be definitely like a lot of demand for, for these 1525 01:40:43,154 --> 01:40:44,324 kind of like Bitcoin services. 1526 01:40:45,554 --> 01:40:46,034 Cool. 1527 01:40:46,234 --> 01:40:51,334 So, yeah, we'll keep an eye out for the updates for sure, and you'll have to DM 1528 01:40:51,334 --> 01:40:53,694 me whenever you figure out teleportation. 1529 01:40:54,369 --> 01:40:55,499 Uh, and how to do that. 1530 01:40:55,929 --> 01:40:56,269 Yeah. 1531 01:40:56,954 --> 01:40:57,764 We'll do, we'll do. 1532 01:40:58,704 --> 01:40:59,254 Two weeks. 1533 01:40:59,729 --> 01:41:00,139 All right. 1534 01:41:00,139 --> 01:41:02,379 Hey, Rafe, this has been fantastic. 1535 01:41:02,389 --> 01:41:04,319 Always great to have you on. 1536 01:41:04,369 --> 01:41:07,939 And, uh, now I, I, I think, I think we're, we're wrapping up. 1537 01:41:08,029 --> 01:41:12,879 So, uh, can you just, uh, tell our listeners where they can find you 1538 01:41:12,919 --> 01:41:17,789 and, uh, Wasabi and, uh, anything else you'd like to mention here at the end? 1539 01:41:19,549 --> 01:41:21,749 Well, like I said, it doesn't really matter who I am. 1540 01:41:21,749 --> 01:41:22,899 So forget about that. 1541 01:41:23,009 --> 01:41:26,539 Just go ahead and check out Wasabi, buy Bitcoin and eat some shrooms. 1542 01:41:26,969 --> 01:41:28,649 That's basically all that I want to say. 1543 01:41:29,513 --> 01:41:30,173 All right. 1544 01:41:30,663 --> 01:41:35,313 Well, uh, we'll Get working on all all three as soon as possible, Luke, won't we? 1545 01:41:36,548 --> 01:41:37,218 Absolutely. 1546 01:41:37,268 --> 01:41:39,678 And, uh, I think the only add ons are like, subscribe and 1547 01:41:39,678 --> 01:41:40,748 brush your teeth, right Knut? 1548 01:41:41,183 --> 01:41:41,923 Absolutely. 1549 01:41:42,293 --> 01:41:43,253 And ring the damn bell. 1550 01:41:44,463 --> 01:41:45,243 Take care folks 1551 01:41:45,713 --> 01:41:48,923 All right, this has been the Freedom Footprint Show, thanks for listening.