Peace Through Sovereignty with Tony Yazbeck - Freedom Footprint Show 58

1 00:00:00,049 --> 00:00:03,380 since the beginning of time, problems were always resolved 2 00:00:03,450 --> 00:00:05,590 via one way only: violence. 3 00:00:05,850 --> 00:00:09,950 You know, you try to talk, if we don't find a solution, it escalates a bit more. 4 00:00:10,170 --> 00:00:13,290 If we still can't find a solution, then somebody gets angry. 5 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:16,080 And if it still can't get a solution, then you break out into a fight. 6 00:00:16,340 --> 00:00:19,010 And if it still doesn't get fixed, somebody ends up dead. 7 00:00:19,357 --> 00:00:22,163 Before Bitcoin, which is obviously, that peaceful 8 00:00:22,163 --> 00:00:23,543 revolution, like, how do you do it? 9 00:00:23,818 --> 00:00:24,898 There was no other way. 10 00:00:25,191 --> 00:00:28,111 Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin 11 00:00:28,111 --> 00:00:31,871 philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn. 12 00:00:32,407 --> 00:00:35,897 Today, we're joined by Tony Yazbeck, Bitcoin educator and 13 00:00:35,897 --> 00:00:37,787 co founder of The Bitcoin Way. 14 00:00:38,152 --> 00:00:41,052 In this episode, Tony walks us through his personal orange billing 15 00:00:41,052 --> 00:00:44,802 story and the effects that Lebanon's financial crisis had on his journey. 16 00:00:45,057 --> 00:00:49,127 We discuss Bitcoin adoption, violence, and the importance of self sovereignty. 17 00:00:49,697 --> 00:00:52,257 Finally, we learn more about The Bitcoin Way. 18 00:00:52,502 --> 00:00:56,052 And how Tony's 20 years of experience in cybersecurity, encryption, and 19 00:00:56,052 --> 00:00:58,452 privacy play a big role in the company. 20 00:00:59,332 --> 00:01:02,212 But before we jump in, I'll quickly cover how you can support the show. 21 00:01:02,482 --> 00:01:05,602 First, you can send us a boost or stream us some sats using a value for 22 00:01:05,602 --> 00:01:07,452 value podcasting app such as Fountain. 23 00:01:08,062 --> 00:01:11,062 If you're 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The Bitcoin Way, and Geyser. 36 00:01:39,472 --> 00:01:41,062 All their information is in the description. 37 00:01:41,152 --> 00:01:42,652 We'll be talking a bit more about them later. 38 00:01:43,632 --> 00:01:48,907 And now, without further ado, Here is Tony Yazbeck on the Freedom Footprint Show. 39 00:01:49,884 --> 00:01:51,264 welcome to the Freedom Footprint Show. 40 00:01:51,284 --> 00:01:52,064 Thanks for joining us. 41 00:01:52,424 --> 00:01:53,444 Thank you for having me. 42 00:01:53,976 --> 00:01:55,076 Yes, welcome, Tony. 43 00:01:55,846 --> 00:01:59,176 You're the CEO of the Bitcoin Way, right? 44 00:01:59,436 --> 00:02:00,536 I'm one of the co founders. 45 00:02:00,536 --> 00:02:01,366 Yes, correct. 46 00:02:01,446 --> 00:02:04,575 the co founders, which is an interesting company. 47 00:02:05,194 --> 00:02:07,354 We'll get back into that a little later. 48 00:02:07,354 --> 00:02:09,244 But first, a little bit about you. 49 00:02:09,264 --> 00:02:15,254 Can you give us the TLDR on who you are and how were you orange pilled and how 50 00:02:15,254 --> 00:02:17,224 did you become a full time Bitcoiner? 51 00:02:17,414 --> 00:02:17,744 sure. 52 00:02:17,764 --> 00:02:18,484 Absolutely. 53 00:02:18,534 --> 00:02:22,464 I come from over 20 years of cybersecurity encryption and privacy. 54 00:02:22,464 --> 00:02:26,314 So I've been like heavily involved in the IT world for a very long time. 55 00:02:26,774 --> 00:02:30,544 Bitcoin, I'd say like a little over five years deep down the rabbit hole. 56 00:02:31,004 --> 00:02:35,428 And, uh, My story in Bitcoin is an interesting one because I actually 57 00:02:35,608 --> 00:02:43,968 witnessed the pain of hyperinflation and complete life saving destruction, you 58 00:02:43,968 --> 00:02:49,104 know, before my own eyes, which is what really, you know, woke me up and led 59 00:02:49,104 --> 00:02:51,642 me to look for answers to this story. 60 00:02:51,642 --> 00:02:52,084 Thanks for watching. 61 00:02:52,504 --> 00:02:56,054 Nuclear surprise, you know, that just came out of nowhere. 62 00:02:56,944 --> 00:03:01,324 I was in Cyprus when it happened and the situation that I'm 63 00:03:01,324 --> 00:03:03,544 referring to was not the Cyprus one. 64 00:03:03,604 --> 00:03:09,384 It was the one next door in Lebanon when the protests broke out and, you 65 00:03:09,384 --> 00:03:10,884 know, the whole country was in shambles. 66 00:03:10,884 --> 00:03:14,394 And then from one day to the next, everybody's life savings were wiped. 67 00:03:14,869 --> 00:03:19,589 Okay, so, when you live through something like this, you realize very quickly 68 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,279 that this is not a theory anymore. 69 00:03:21,279 --> 00:03:22,309 This is not a movie. 70 00:03:22,379 --> 00:03:23,489 This is real life. 71 00:03:23,569 --> 00:03:24,549 It can happen. 72 00:03:24,589 --> 00:03:26,239 It will happen to anyone. 73 00:03:26,489 --> 00:03:27,579 No one's immune to it. 74 00:03:28,329 --> 00:03:30,829 It's just a question of when your turn comes. 75 00:03:31,659 --> 00:03:35,169 Once you live through something like this, it's very hard to unsee it, to 76 00:03:35,169 --> 00:03:40,119 forget about it, because the pain and destruction it leaves in its path 77 00:03:41,339 --> 00:03:44,669 is really, it's unheard of, okay? 78 00:03:44,669 --> 00:03:50,529 I mean, you have people literally went to bed on a Tuesday, being financially 79 00:03:50,569 --> 00:03:55,339 comfortable, a lot of them retired, waking up the next day, nothing's working. 80 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:56,419 This is how it happened. 81 00:03:57,949 --> 00:04:00,049 You woke up the next day, you know, you're trying to buy 82 00:04:00,049 --> 00:04:01,439 stuff, credit cards don't work. 83 00:04:01,949 --> 00:04:03,359 Okay, well maybe it's a glitch. 84 00:04:03,789 --> 00:04:05,539 Call the bank, there's no answer at the bank. 85 00:04:05,806 --> 00:04:06,976 Okay, so then, then what? 86 00:04:07,266 --> 00:04:09,366 So then, okay, you can't buy whatever it is that you're buying. 87 00:04:09,396 --> 00:04:11,896 So you wait, hopefully it'll, you know, resolve itself. 88 00:04:12,446 --> 00:04:16,036 One day, two days, three days, news comes out, banks are closed because of 89 00:04:16,086 --> 00:04:17,616 whatever bullshit reason they give you. 90 00:04:18,636 --> 00:04:22,066 Fast forward three years, money is hyperinflated to God knows what. 91 00:04:22,836 --> 00:04:24,296 If you had a million dollars U. 92 00:04:24,296 --> 00:04:24,616 S. 93 00:04:24,766 --> 00:04:29,023 in a Lebanese bank, you have 300 now, this is what happened. 94 00:04:29,229 --> 00:04:35,116 And, uh, when you see this, it wakes you up in a way that's very hard to describe. 95 00:04:35,166 --> 00:04:39,306 You know, like, I mean, your views on the world change almost instantly 96 00:04:39,336 --> 00:04:40,826 in a way that are irreversible. 97 00:04:41,456 --> 00:04:42,856 So, you start looking for answers. 98 00:04:43,516 --> 00:04:44,476 What the hell just happened? 99 00:04:44,769 --> 00:04:47,769 what happened here, you know, all, all your life you're told, you know, you go, 100 00:04:47,769 --> 00:04:52,159 you work, you make an honest living, you put your money in that bank, when you 101 00:04:52,159 --> 00:04:56,219 decide to retire, your money's there, except no, finally you find out that 102 00:04:56,319 --> 00:05:00,659 the money in the bank is not yours, the banks are the thieves stealing your 103 00:05:00,669 --> 00:05:03,989 money, and they're not giving it to you, and there's nothing you can do about 104 00:05:03,999 --> 00:05:07,956 it, so then you dig deeper, you know, how far does this thing go, who's behind 105 00:05:07,956 --> 00:05:11,406 all of this, how is this put together, how is this scam concocted, since when, 106 00:05:11,796 --> 00:05:16,986 you start asking questions, And that's essentially what led me to Bitcoin. 107 00:05:17,906 --> 00:05:22,726 When I finally realized that my entire life has been a lie with regards 108 00:05:22,853 --> 00:05:27,316 to money, any normal person would, would, would react the same way I 109 00:05:27,316 --> 00:05:31,766 did, which was, you know, you get very angry, you know, because you 110 00:05:31,776 --> 00:05:33,126 think you're doing the right thing. 111 00:05:33,756 --> 00:05:36,186 And at the end of the day, you get completely screwed over. 112 00:05:36,826 --> 00:05:38,786 And there's literally nothing you can do. 113 00:05:39,356 --> 00:05:42,026 Something like this happens once. 114 00:05:42,196 --> 00:05:45,046 If you let it happen twice, then you're the idiot. 115 00:05:45,703 --> 00:05:49,213 before Bitcoin, we had no alternative. 116 00:05:49,473 --> 00:05:53,616 And this is, was my biggest, lifeline, if you want. 117 00:05:53,876 --> 00:05:58,076 Because once you survive, a disaster, having your life savings wiped out, 118 00:05:58,456 --> 00:06:02,456 You know, you go to a, you go to a very dark place and it's not everyone 119 00:06:02,456 --> 00:06:04,476 that can come out of it normally. 120 00:06:04,876 --> 00:06:07,616 I don't want to get too morbid about this, but let's just say, you know, 121 00:06:07,616 --> 00:06:11,266 like I've seen very close friends of mine not come out of this. 122 00:06:12,236 --> 00:06:15,576 I've seen people that I know, good people, not come out of this. 123 00:06:16,156 --> 00:06:18,246 And it's not something I wish upon anyone. 124 00:06:18,736 --> 00:06:24,339 So, when I try to pass this message on, subtly through orange pilling, to try to 125 00:06:24,339 --> 00:06:26,879 warn people, guys, this is not a movie. 126 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:28,789 It's not just Lebanon. 127 00:06:29,239 --> 00:06:30,639 It doesn't matter where you are. 128 00:06:30,829 --> 00:06:33,119 The fiat system is rigged. 129 00:06:33,269 --> 00:06:36,079 It's bullshit from beginning to end. 130 00:06:36,509 --> 00:06:42,499 It's a concoction by a group of thieves that designed this for this purpose. 131 00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:47,929 And before Bitcoin, there was no real alternative. 132 00:06:48,303 --> 00:06:53,243 mean, the, the, the notion that you don't own your money, that you have 133 00:06:53,243 --> 00:06:58,963 to ask permission from someone to use your money, your time and energy. 134 00:06:59,423 --> 00:07:01,013 How does that make sense to anyone? 135 00:07:01,293 --> 00:07:02,793 How does anyone accept this? 136 00:07:03,166 --> 00:07:03,776 I don't. 137 00:07:04,306 --> 00:07:04,876 Not anymore. 138 00:07:04,876 --> 00:07:05,336 Anyhow, 139 00:07:05,615 --> 00:07:10,768 Oh, the, the first, uh, feeling I get is anger, of course, like, and, uh, 140 00:07:11,118 --> 00:07:14,658 I can see the writings on the wall in other countries, like here in Spain, 141 00:07:14,658 --> 00:07:19,038 for instance, the last time I needed to withdraw cash from the bank, they 142 00:07:19,058 --> 00:07:23,348 asked me what I was going to use it for, and it's not like it was an enormous 143 00:07:23,418 --> 00:07:28,558 sum, and still, even if it was, like, what the hell business of theirs is, 144 00:07:29,148 --> 00:07:31,658 is it what I want to use my money for? 145 00:07:31,778 --> 00:07:33,418 it's not their money, it's my money. 146 00:07:33,498 --> 00:07:37,478 I should be asking them what they're using my money for, not 147 00:07:37,478 --> 00:07:38,868 the other way around, right? 148 00:07:39,428 --> 00:07:44,328 So, so that's, I see that as an absolute warning sign and it's everywhere. 149 00:07:44,328 --> 00:07:48,898 You hear stories about people's bank accounts being shut down and you know, 150 00:07:49,148 --> 00:07:54,068 what happened to Nigel Farage in the UK, for instance, and a multitude of other 151 00:07:54,068 --> 00:07:58,555 people that had the same problem and I, I recently read some news from Sweden, 152 00:07:58,865 --> 00:08:03,455 where I come from, where the Swedish krona is now at an all time low against 153 00:08:03,465 --> 00:08:09,961 the euro, so it's now 12 Swedish krona per euro, and it has lost 40 percent of 154 00:08:09,961 --> 00:08:12,411 its purchasing power against the euro. 155 00:08:13,051 --> 00:08:18,151 Which in itself has lost its purchasing power against the dollar in 10 years 156 00:08:18,611 --> 00:08:20,841 and 7 percent during the last year. 157 00:08:20,851 --> 00:08:26,241 But I know since I, I changed some Swedish krona for euros half a year back 158 00:08:26,571 --> 00:08:29,091 and it has dropped 7 percent since then. 159 00:08:29,101 --> 00:08:35,375 So it's not the last year, it's the last half year, which is a significant amount. 160 00:08:36,121 --> 00:08:37,821 mean, Scandinavia has. 161 00:08:38,211 --> 00:08:41,941 It's viewed itself as the Scandinavian countries have viewed 162 00:08:41,941 --> 00:08:45,781 themselves as being immune to all of this for a long, long time. 163 00:08:46,481 --> 00:08:51,031 But then again, we've had these negative interest rates and other fictitious 164 00:08:51,051 --> 00:08:53,781 bullshit for a couple of years now. 165 00:08:53,831 --> 00:08:56,431 And sooner or later, the shit hits the fan. 166 00:08:56,441 --> 00:09:01,491 And after the lockdowns and everything, I mean, Sweden didn't really have lockdowns, 167 00:09:01,491 --> 00:09:03,681 but even, but still, the COVID measures. 168 00:09:03,976 --> 00:09:05,746 Cost a lot of money in every country. 169 00:09:06,266 --> 00:09:10,026 And, uh, it's just, as you say, it's just a matter of time. 170 00:09:10,036 --> 00:09:14,046 It's, it's doomed because it's designed that way. 171 00:09:14,076 --> 00:09:15,411 There is no way out of it. 172 00:09:15,516 --> 00:09:18,926 they're printing money to reduce the value of the national debt, 173 00:09:18,976 --> 00:09:24,986 which, and what that is, is just a mass theft of people's life power. 174 00:09:25,006 --> 00:09:28,856 It's, it's just depleting everyone's mana, if you will. 175 00:09:29,476 --> 00:09:34,509 Uh, I'm curious about Lebanon and what happened there, like how much, 176 00:09:34,779 --> 00:09:42,099 how close to it, is it a civil war situation there now, or like how, how 177 00:09:42,209 --> 00:09:44,259 dangerous is Lebanon at this point? 178 00:09:44,259 --> 00:09:48,659 And what, what happens in a situations like that? 179 00:09:48,659 --> 00:09:52,159 Do people start using other means of media of exchange? 180 00:09:52,239 --> 00:09:53,489 What's your observation? 181 00:09:54,174 --> 00:09:59,084 The thing is, Lebanon is a bit of a, it's a city of miracles in the sense that 182 00:09:59,314 --> 00:10:04,174 depending where you go in Lebanon, you can see a completely different movie. 183 00:10:04,724 --> 00:10:08,284 I mean, if you go down, if you fly down to Lebanon now and you go to 184 00:10:08,284 --> 00:10:11,914 a certain part of the city, they live better than Beverly Hills. 185 00:10:13,099 --> 00:10:15,059 You know, you wonder, like, how the hell is that possible? 186 00:10:15,059 --> 00:10:15,369 But they 187 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:16,479 in Beirut you mean? 188 00:10:16,889 --> 00:10:17,159 Yes. 189 00:10:17,179 --> 00:10:18,729 Well, in certain parts of Beirut, yes. 190 00:10:19,669 --> 00:10:23,419 But realistically, there's, I think, 80 or 90 percent of the 191 00:10:23,419 --> 00:10:25,679 population is below the poverty line. 192 00:10:25,709 --> 00:10:27,089 It's absolutely horrendous. 193 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:30,889 But there is a small minority, a small percentage of people 194 00:10:30,899 --> 00:10:35,549 that, you know, somehow are still beating the rate of inflation. 195 00:10:35,609 --> 00:10:40,239 And their money is obviously, well, yes, possibly, and likely that their 196 00:10:40,239 --> 00:10:44,549 funds were not in Lebanon , when the system effectively stole everybody's 197 00:10:44,549 --> 00:10:46,229 life savings, their funds were out. 198 00:10:46,719 --> 00:10:50,819 You know, there was a lot of, um, illegal money transfers that was 199 00:10:50,839 --> 00:10:54,689 going on behind the scenes during the time where supposedly no one 200 00:10:54,689 --> 00:10:57,789 was allowed to take out their money, but certain people, somehow were 201 00:10:57,789 --> 00:11:00,089 siphoning billions out of the country. 202 00:11:00,439 --> 00:11:04,849 And you have no right to investigate how this is going on. 203 00:11:05,029 --> 00:11:05,969 That's the worst part. 204 00:11:06,859 --> 00:11:10,779 So, long story short, if you had your life savings over there, 205 00:11:11,089 --> 00:11:12,909 today they are 100 percent gone. 206 00:11:13,149 --> 00:11:16,489 And the worst part is, whatever's left, you're not allowed to take out. 207 00:11:16,899 --> 00:11:19,599 They don't give it to you, you have withdrawal limits 208 00:11:19,609 --> 00:11:21,119 that are completely absurd. 209 00:11:22,429 --> 00:11:27,479 Yeah, I saw someone come in with a shotgun to withdraw money, not to rob the bank, 210 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:29,419 but to get his own money out of the bank. 211 00:11:29,469 --> 00:11:30,819 Yes, absolutely. 212 00:11:31,609 --> 00:11:33,749 And it happened on several occasions, right? 213 00:11:33,959 --> 00:11:35,369 Well, of course it's going to happen. 214 00:11:35,389 --> 00:11:38,209 I mean, you're, you're a hardworking individual. 215 00:11:38,209 --> 00:11:41,619 You've got whatever it is that you have in that bank account as your life savings. 216 00:11:41,789 --> 00:11:43,199 Your mom is sick. 217 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,229 She needs treatment. 218 00:11:45,646 --> 00:11:49,696 The bank decides, screw you, I'm not giving you your money, so what do you do? 219 00:11:50,006 --> 00:11:51,376 What options do you have? 220 00:11:51,966 --> 00:11:54,916 If you do nothing, your mom's going to die. 221 00:11:55,936 --> 00:12:00,543 So, you either let her die, or you take measures into your own hand. 222 00:12:01,143 --> 00:12:04,803 Now, keep in mind, these people that went into a bank with guns, 223 00:12:05,163 --> 00:12:06,713 none of these folks are criminals. 224 00:12:06,773 --> 00:12:10,573 These are mothers, fathers, regular, good people. 225 00:12:11,346 --> 00:12:12,236 On the contrary, 226 00:12:12,481 --> 00:12:13,531 pushed to a limit. 227 00:12:13,761 --> 00:12:17,341 Yes, they are victim, pushed to a corner that they have no 228 00:12:17,341 --> 00:12:19,201 choice but to react this way. 229 00:12:19,701 --> 00:12:23,821 And this is, what I keep telling everybody, I'm like, you guys have no idea 230 00:12:23,821 --> 00:12:30,491 when things get bad, good people start doing crazy shit, , because they have to. 231 00:12:30,491 --> 00:12:32,091 It's almost like a survival thing. 232 00:12:32,671 --> 00:12:35,501 So these folks that went into these banks with guns. 233 00:12:36,026 --> 00:12:37,156 They wanted their money. 234 00:12:37,266 --> 00:12:38,726 They didn't want anybody else's money. 235 00:12:38,726 --> 00:12:39,756 They weren't robbing anyone. 236 00:12:39,756 --> 00:12:43,186 They just wanted their life savings to pay for medical 237 00:12:43,196 --> 00:12:45,496 bills for a dying family member. 238 00:12:46,326 --> 00:12:47,796 So, do you blame them? 239 00:12:47,856 --> 00:12:51,206 Or do you, now all of a sudden, oh no, they're evil people, they have a gun. 240 00:12:51,770 --> 00:12:55,620 No, I wouldn't call that almost a survival mechanism, I would call 241 00:12:55,620 --> 00:12:57,680 that an actual survival mechanism. 242 00:12:57,730 --> 00:12:59,865 That is, Your only option. 243 00:12:59,875 --> 00:13:03,795 It's like when you, when you have no means of saving your, your time 244 00:13:03,795 --> 00:13:08,625 preference goes up and I always talk about this, like if you're stripped of 245 00:13:08,625 --> 00:13:14,775 all your, all of your possessions, your, your time preference is as the highest 246 00:13:14,775 --> 00:13:19,275 it can get, you need to find food and shelter and you use any means necessary 247 00:13:19,275 --> 00:13:21,405 to get that, otherwise you're dead, 248 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:23,040 Absolutely. 249 00:13:23,310 --> 00:13:23,780 Absolutely. 250 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:24,720 There's no other choice. 251 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:29,758 And, uh, unfortunately, you know, when, when you bully someone, so much. 252 00:13:29,798 --> 00:13:32,548 At some point, you know, they're going to push back. 253 00:13:32,838 --> 00:13:34,378 I mean, everybody has a breaking point. 254 00:13:34,938 --> 00:13:39,568 And, uh, it's that breaking point that worries me, on a global level. 255 00:13:40,008 --> 00:13:42,828 Because, I've seen it in one place and it was, like, horrendous. 256 00:13:42,848 --> 00:13:43,698 Can you imagine this? 257 00:13:44,533 --> 00:13:47,723 Spreading like a virus in, , more and more cities. 258 00:13:48,168 --> 00:13:49,318 it's hard to imagine. 259 00:13:49,743 --> 00:13:53,063 So why isn't Bitcoin adoption more widespread in Lebanon? 260 00:13:53,493 --> 00:13:55,403 Well, it's twofold. 261 00:13:55,413 --> 00:13:57,723 For one, it is increasing from what I hear. 262 00:13:57,723 --> 00:13:59,723 I mean, I haven't been there in a while. 263 00:13:59,723 --> 00:14:01,073 I have no interest in going back there. 264 00:14:01,073 --> 00:14:03,673 I'm absolutely, disgusted by the whole situation. 265 00:14:04,143 --> 00:14:09,613 But from what I hear, Bitcoin activity , is on the rise a lot more now. 266 00:14:10,463 --> 00:14:12,063 You have to keep in mind a lot of these folks. 267 00:14:12,633 --> 00:14:13,763 Don't understand money. 268 00:14:14,183 --> 00:14:14,573 Okay. 269 00:14:14,573 --> 00:14:17,343 These guys, they, they want immediate satisfaction. 270 00:14:17,343 --> 00:14:18,083 They have to eat. 271 00:14:18,743 --> 00:14:22,063 So they're not going to, , take a risk with something that 272 00:14:22,073 --> 00:14:23,990 they can't exchange for food. 273 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,880 So the big thing over there is the US dollar. 274 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,240 So anything, they will do anything to get a US dollar, even though, you know, 275 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,360 this is not what they need, they need something that's not going to continuously 276 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,490 steal their money and time and energy, but because you have to eat and it's 277 00:14:41,490 --> 00:14:46,810 not common enough to exchange, you know, Bitcoin for what you actually have to put. 278 00:14:47,255 --> 00:14:50,815 Food on the table, you're like stuck in a catch 22. 279 00:14:50,845 --> 00:14:52,285 This is what I think is happening. 280 00:14:52,285 --> 00:14:56,645 And this is, it's like a common scenario in countries or with 281 00:14:56,665 --> 00:15:01,405 people, you know, very limited financial resources, you're stuck. 282 00:15:02,055 --> 00:15:04,895 And it's a, it's a very painful transition. 283 00:15:04,895 --> 00:15:09,935 It takes a considerable amount of effort to pass through this storm 284 00:15:09,935 --> 00:15:11,505 to come out on the other side. 285 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:16,570 Some of them don't make it, some of them do make it, but , it's a 286 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:19,700 really huge workout to, to do this. 287 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:23,750 So time will tell what, what will happen, but there's a lot more 288 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:25,490 people mining Bitcoin in Lebanon. 289 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:28,190 I don't know how they're doing it considering there's electricity 290 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,210 only a few hours a day. 291 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:34,260 So I don't know, how they're actually doing it, if they're doing it via natural 292 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:37,870 resources, Lebanon has a lot of natural resource, water being one of them. 293 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,740 So I don't know if somehow they're being set up in locations close 294 00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:42,110 to that to take advantage of this. 295 00:15:42,830 --> 00:15:46,470 Otherwise, the price of electricity, first of all, is horrendously high. 296 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,420 And second of all, there is no electricity. 297 00:15:48,420 --> 00:15:52,070 It's, it comes in like, it's rationed for a few hours a day. 298 00:15:52,070 --> 00:15:56,720 So you couldn't possibly mine anything reliably or profitably 299 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,880 for that matter over there. 300 00:15:58,516 --> 00:15:58,746 Yeah. 301 00:15:58,746 --> 00:16:03,516 So the way I see bitcoin adoption, I is the only way to save people 302 00:16:03,516 --> 00:16:07,506 in the coming decade when this is going to hit more and more countries 303 00:16:07,506 --> 00:16:09,156 at a faster and faster pace. 304 00:16:09,626 --> 00:16:14,696 If there isn't sufficient Bitcoin adoption there, in the next place it happens 305 00:16:14,701 --> 00:16:17,373 to the alternative is, is violence. 306 00:16:17,523 --> 00:16:20,673 There's only that, like there's, there's Bitcoin or there's violence. 307 00:16:20,673 --> 00:16:23,503 Literally, uh, with Bitcoin they can trade. 308 00:16:23,918 --> 00:16:25,398 So they don't have to use force. 309 00:16:25,888 --> 00:16:27,928 If they can't trade, they will have to use force. 310 00:16:27,958 --> 00:16:29,758 That's as simple as that. 311 00:16:30,458 --> 00:16:33,648 You said you were in Cyprus during the time that this happened. 312 00:16:34,278 --> 00:16:37,148 So, what was your orange pill moment? 313 00:16:37,158 --> 00:16:38,548 Like, um, of course... 314 00:16:39,033 --> 00:16:42,943 Having seen this and lived through this and all of that must have 315 00:16:43,103 --> 00:16:46,883 helped your orange pilling journey, but how did you find out about 316 00:16:46,883 --> 00:16:48,773 Bitcoin when did the penny drop? 317 00:16:48,773 --> 00:16:52,533 So this is the obvious solution, like, were you ever a shit coiner? 318 00:16:52,563 --> 00:16:54,863 Like, what's the story there? 319 00:16:54,873 --> 00:16:55,253 of course. 320 00:16:55,253 --> 00:16:57,203 I'm not going to hide or lie about this. 321 00:16:57,203 --> 00:17:01,153 Obviously, I dabbled into a whole bunch of, stupid things in the beginning, you 322 00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:03,163 know, nothing positive came out of it. 323 00:17:03,573 --> 00:17:04,403 So that's fine. 324 00:17:04,423 --> 00:17:05,603 Almost everyone did. 325 00:17:05,713 --> 00:17:10,243 yeah, so, uh, yeah, of course I dabbled into, you know, a few things and learned 326 00:17:10,243 --> 00:17:11,623 a few things along the way as well. 327 00:17:12,053 --> 00:17:15,863 But ultimately, my objective was to find. 328 00:17:16,533 --> 00:17:20,393 A permanent solution to this problem in a sense that I needed to be in a 329 00:17:20,393 --> 00:17:24,833 position where no one can steal from me ever again, and it wasn't going to 330 00:17:24,843 --> 00:17:29,603 be the traditional route of gold, real estate, none of that nonsense, because 331 00:17:29,683 --> 00:17:31,303 all of that can be taken away from you. 332 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:36,223 I came to the very firm conclusion that nothing physical is safe anymore. 333 00:17:36,253 --> 00:17:36,653 Nothing. 334 00:17:36,983 --> 00:17:40,303 Unless, unless you have an army to protect it. 335 00:17:40,963 --> 00:17:45,523 I get into debates sometimes with folks, you know, gold is, is a better 336 00:17:45,523 --> 00:17:47,373 investment or buying real estate. 337 00:17:47,373 --> 00:17:49,233 I have five apartment buildings. 338 00:17:49,723 --> 00:17:50,433 All right, cool. 339 00:17:50,833 --> 00:17:53,783 But if an army of five guys come up to you with a gun and tell you, get 340 00:17:53,783 --> 00:17:55,293 out, what are you going to tell them? 341 00:17:55,663 --> 00:17:59,483 That you have a piece of paper that says it's legally mine, you can't touch it. 342 00:18:00,573 --> 00:18:02,063 They're going to tell you you have 10 seconds. 343 00:18:02,803 --> 00:18:05,283 You either leave or we carry you out. 344 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:06,150 Pick. 345 00:18:06,776 --> 00:18:11,520 So, unless you have an army to protect yourself in extreme cases, this is 346 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,480 what I'm talking about, obviously this is like an extreme case, but when 347 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,630 you are , in a predicament where the money's gone, people are desperate. 348 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:19,580 People are hungry. 349 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,770 People do all sorts of insane things. 350 00:18:23,780 --> 00:18:27,636 So, you can't predict the behavior that's going to come your way. 351 00:18:27,646 --> 00:18:28,866 You have to be ready for it. 352 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,486 And fundamentally... 353 00:18:30,796 --> 00:18:35,056 Since the beginning of time, problems were always resolved 354 00:18:35,126 --> 00:18:37,266 via one way only, violence. 355 00:18:38,036 --> 00:18:41,156 You know, you try to talk, if it, if we don't find a solution, 356 00:18:41,746 --> 00:18:42,996 it escalates a bit more. 357 00:18:43,216 --> 00:18:46,336 If we still can't find a solution, then somebody gets angry. 358 00:18:46,476 --> 00:18:49,126 And if it still can't get a solution, then you break out into a fight. 359 00:18:49,386 --> 00:18:52,056 And if it still doesn't get fixed, somebody ends up dead, 360 00:18:53,096 --> 00:18:54,676 so we want to avoid this. 361 00:18:54,946 --> 00:18:56,776 Obviously nobody wants to go into violence that's not the end game. 362 00:18:56,796 --> 00:18:56,816 Bye. 363 00:19:02,401 --> 00:19:05,601 Before Bitcoin, which is obviously, you know, that peaceful 364 00:19:05,601 --> 00:19:06,981 revolution, like, how do you do it? 365 00:19:08,156 --> 00:19:08,426 Really? 366 00:19:08,426 --> 00:19:09,056 How do you do it? 367 00:19:09,056 --> 00:19:10,136 There was no other way. 368 00:19:10,896 --> 00:19:11,616 Bitcoin. 369 00:19:12,056 --> 00:19:12,326 Yeah. 370 00:19:12,326 --> 00:19:18,766 I mean Bitcoin, defund, the source funding the bullshit, right? 371 00:19:19,546 --> 00:19:20,866 And the solution, the way I see. 372 00:19:20,871 --> 00:19:25,126 It's not that hard, but you just have to get the world to see it your way. 373 00:19:25,576 --> 00:19:29,516 If everyone tomorrow decides, I don't want fiat anymore, just like this 374 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:32,846 tomorrow, five minutes, and you just opt into Bitcoin, we start transacting this. 375 00:19:32,846 --> 00:19:33,897 Whatever it takes, we'll figure it out. 376 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,440 Problem solved. 377 00:19:36,260 --> 00:19:37,550 The problem is nobody believes it. 378 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,185 You can't convince, the general public instantly to understand this. 379 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:48,470 Yeah, it's really problem solved for everyone forever, which 380 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:51,650 is, it's really that simple. 381 00:19:51,733 --> 00:19:53,063 If everyone's orange pilled. 382 00:19:53,758 --> 00:19:56,508 There's no more problems like Bitcoin fixes. 383 00:19:56,508 --> 00:19:58,998 This is true on so many levels. 384 00:19:59,058 --> 00:20:03,398 People think it's fictitious, but you know, it's like the saying, if goods and 385 00:20:03,398 --> 00:20:06,158 services don't cross borders, armies will. 386 00:20:07,368 --> 00:20:11,798 uh, it doesn't matter if it's a national border or if it's one of your five 387 00:20:11,798 --> 00:20:15,908 apartments that you need to save from the five guys with guns, it's the same 388 00:20:15,938 --> 00:20:17,808 thing if goods and services don't. 389 00:20:18,098 --> 00:20:23,048 Don't cross guys with guns will at some point that that's the end game there. 390 00:20:23,528 --> 00:20:26,658 Listen, these, these, these scenarios that I'm citing, they may seem a 391 00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:28,578 bit extreme, but they've happened. 392 00:20:28,648 --> 00:20:29,838 I've seen them happen. 393 00:20:29,938 --> 00:20:31,238 This is why I know about them. 394 00:20:31,588 --> 00:20:35,158 Obviously I don't, I don't like them, but it's not a movie. 395 00:20:35,328 --> 00:20:37,468 I'm not making this up from my own imagination. 396 00:20:38,143 --> 00:20:39,043 This is happening. 397 00:20:39,103 --> 00:20:41,383 This will happen when things get bad enough. 398 00:20:42,253 --> 00:20:47,153 So, uh, we try to avoid this as much as possible and, try to keep things 399 00:20:47,153 --> 00:20:51,183 as civil and peaceful as we possibly can because, that's how it should be. 400 00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:53,720 Okay, we have some big news. 401 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:56,330 We have a new lead sponsor, AmberApp. 402 00:20:57,170 --> 00:20:59,770 They're the number one exchange in the Southern Hemisphere. 403 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,980 They're rated for the best customer service around and 404 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,720 their global launch is coming. 405 00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:09,900 But the reason we're partnering with AmberApp is because of the people. 406 00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:13,540 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wasabiwallet. 430 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:19,550 io and download Wasabi today. 431 00:22:20,031 --> 00:22:23,131 So, is that why you started the Bitcoin way? 432 00:22:23,131 --> 00:22:23,921 I guess it is. 433 00:22:23,971 --> 00:22:25,771 But, but, when did that happen? 434 00:22:25,771 --> 00:22:27,381 And what was the idea behind 435 00:22:27,536 --> 00:22:29,816 Yeah, well, the idea is to ensure that... 436 00:22:30,546 --> 00:22:36,386 The least number of people get affected by such a disastrous outcome as possible. 437 00:22:36,406 --> 00:22:42,806 I mean, the more, the more people I can convince, educate, influence, to 438 00:22:42,846 --> 00:22:47,246 understand, the reality of what's going on and to have them at least, 439 00:22:47,296 --> 00:22:49,961 take some steps to protect themselves. 440 00:22:50,297 --> 00:22:54,257 it almost feels like a mission, like a, like, like a calling, you know, like it's, 441 00:22:54,287 --> 00:22:59,084 uh, I never want to see anyone go through what I've seen in the last five years. 442 00:22:59,104 --> 00:22:59,434 Never. 443 00:22:59,494 --> 00:23:02,814 Not even my worst enemy, I would wish upon that upon them. 444 00:23:03,464 --> 00:23:06,144 But I do know that Bitcoin is technology and most people are 445 00:23:06,144 --> 00:23:07,864 not tech people, by any stretch. 446 00:23:08,524 --> 00:23:10,304 So it's a big. 447 00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:14,379 It's a big roadblock for many, and I know this because they've told me 448 00:23:14,379 --> 00:23:17,059 I don't know how to set up anything, cold wallet and all that, so I'm going 449 00:23:17,059 --> 00:23:19,559 to screw it up, I'm going to lose my money, forget it, I'm not touching it. 450 00:23:20,479 --> 00:23:22,479 All right, fine, so what if I do it for you? 451 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:23,429 Would that help? 452 00:23:23,929 --> 00:23:27,439 Then the conversation lasts a bit longer, and then you actually get the 453 00:23:27,439 --> 00:23:31,429 work done, they see how it works, you explain exactly, , how things function. 454 00:23:32,259 --> 00:23:33,389 Some of them get it. 455 00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:38,159 Thankfully, a lot more these days understand it because of the way, you 456 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:42,409 know, things are getting progressively worse, globally that, the world is just 457 00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:46,372 doing the marketing for Bitcoin, which makes our job a little easier and just 458 00:23:46,462 --> 00:23:51,012 executing what needs to be done in order to get the technicals out of the way. 459 00:23:51,917 --> 00:23:56,177 So for people that don't know, the Bitcoin way is, as I understand it, 460 00:23:56,587 --> 00:23:59,227 advises Bitcoiners on every level. 461 00:23:59,277 --> 00:24:04,777 You guys are providing advice, technical advice to people on how to secure their, 462 00:24:05,087 --> 00:24:10,627 even if they want a custodian to hold their coins, or if they want to do it. 463 00:24:11,087 --> 00:24:13,847 Themselves, if they want to use a hardware wallet, if they want to use 464 00:24:13,847 --> 00:24:18,357 a multisig, if they want to do coin joins, whatever, you're, you, you 465 00:24:18,357 --> 00:24:20,297 can provide technical assistance. 466 00:24:20,427 --> 00:24:21,077 Absolutely. 467 00:24:21,077 --> 00:24:23,747 Like you can think of us as like the Bitcoin. 468 00:24:23,757 --> 00:24:25,357 So we cover really everything. 469 00:24:25,357 --> 00:24:28,397 We, from cold wallets to nodes, inheritance planning, no KYC 470 00:24:28,397 --> 00:24:31,557 Bitcoin, integrating Bitcoin payments into your platform. 471 00:24:31,787 --> 00:24:34,917 Whatever it is that you need around the Bitcoin ecosystem, 472 00:24:34,917 --> 00:24:36,397 we can definitely assist with. 473 00:24:36,817 --> 00:24:39,487 We don't sell anything in terms of hardware or software. 474 00:24:39,487 --> 00:24:41,787 We are pure knowledge service here. 475 00:24:41,867 --> 00:24:44,667 So we have zero financial incentives to favor. 476 00:24:44,907 --> 00:24:46,177 One product over another. 477 00:24:46,927 --> 00:24:50,897 I test things personally myself on a regular basis, like a lot of stuff 478 00:24:50,897 --> 00:24:54,307 that's on the market just to stay on top of things and to filter out, the 479 00:24:54,307 --> 00:24:57,267 good, the bad and the ugly, make sure what's, what's reliable and what's not. 480 00:24:57,267 --> 00:25:01,017 And based on the, on, on a, like a strict set of guidelines 481 00:25:01,017 --> 00:25:02,417 that I have for these products. 482 00:25:02,842 --> 00:25:06,752 I make my recommendations, so for example, for cold wallets, we only 483 00:25:06,752 --> 00:25:09,672 deal with and recommend open source or verifiable source, anything 484 00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:11,072 outside of that we don't even look at. 485 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:13,032 Um, same thing for nodes. 486 00:25:13,372 --> 00:25:15,142 Privacy is a very, very big thing. 487 00:25:15,142 --> 00:25:18,202 If there's a way to protect your privacy that you haven't thought 488 00:25:18,212 --> 00:25:19,972 of, you know, we will find it. 489 00:25:20,022 --> 00:25:24,182 I mean, you have 25 years of cybersecurity here that's coming into play. 490 00:25:24,757 --> 00:25:26,357 during our consultation. 491 00:25:26,387 --> 00:25:29,357 So there's a lot of things that I probably will be thinking of that 492 00:25:29,367 --> 00:25:33,057 most people will not, consider simply because of my background. 493 00:25:33,107 --> 00:25:37,247 And that becomes very valuable, in many aspects that most people 494 00:25:37,247 --> 00:25:40,707 don't even realize, and we are 100 percent for self custody. 495 00:25:40,757 --> 00:25:42,557 We don't hold any keys for anyone. 496 00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:46,917 I'm not a particular fan of, the whole third party involvement. 497 00:25:47,197 --> 00:25:50,657 The less, the least, the less people you involve in your 498 00:25:50,697 --> 00:25:52,147 Bitcoin custody, the better. 499 00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:54,597 Like the way I see it is the only person that should be 500 00:25:54,597 --> 00:25:56,377 responsible for your money is you. 501 00:25:57,337 --> 00:26:01,657 And unless you have implicit, absolute trust in someone, you shouldn't 502 00:26:01,677 --> 00:26:03,037 be trusting them with your keys. 503 00:26:03,677 --> 00:26:04,477 No, I agree. 504 00:26:04,652 --> 00:26:08,172 Yeah, because people problems are a hundred times worse to 505 00:26:08,172 --> 00:26:09,562 troubleshoot than technical ones. 506 00:26:09,572 --> 00:26:10,292 That's a fact. 507 00:26:10,802 --> 00:26:13,972 Like you have the whole multi sig thing, you have different parties 508 00:26:13,972 --> 00:26:16,332 involved, then you have a problem with one of them or two of them. 509 00:26:17,662 --> 00:26:18,392 How do you deal with that? 510 00:26:18,592 --> 00:26:19,442 One of them disappears. 511 00:26:19,462 --> 00:26:20,672 The other one doesn't want to talk to you. 512 00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:21,562 Now what? 513 00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:24,149 That's hard. 514 00:26:24,699 --> 00:26:24,999 Yeah. 515 00:26:24,999 --> 00:26:27,269 So if you have a multisig, you should probably have. 516 00:26:27,849 --> 00:26:32,189 Enough keys by yourself to, um, to be able to unlock your 517 00:26:32,199 --> 00:26:34,079 Bitcoin, without the third party. 518 00:26:34,169 --> 00:26:38,369 So if you have two out of the three keys yourself, that's better than 519 00:26:38,644 --> 00:26:39,754 yes, yes. 520 00:26:39,834 --> 00:26:43,214 Or deal with people that you know, have like, I don't know, like a 521 00:26:43,214 --> 00:26:46,004 99 percent chance of you never running into a problem with them. 522 00:26:46,064 --> 00:26:49,204 Like a mom or a dad or a brother or sister, like not a stranger. 523 00:26:49,294 --> 00:26:51,624 , unless you've known this person your whole life, type of thing. 524 00:26:52,634 --> 00:26:52,884 Yeah. 525 00:26:53,324 --> 00:26:56,254 So, this is a bit of a devil's advocate question. 526 00:26:56,294 --> 00:27:01,154 How, how can people know that the Bitcoin way is not biased 527 00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,904 towards a certain company? 528 00:27:03,964 --> 00:27:08,344 , how can the customer know that you haven't accepted a big bag of coins 529 00:27:08,344 --> 00:27:10,214 from one of these products that you 530 00:27:10,264 --> 00:27:12,024 Yeah, that's a very good question, actually. 531 00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:14,168 Um, we, we just don't. 532 00:27:14,218 --> 00:27:18,148 I mean, based on our recommendations, you can tell when we consult with 533 00:27:18,158 --> 00:27:19,798 someone, for example, they have nothing. 534 00:27:19,798 --> 00:27:21,108 They come to us with absolutely nothing. 535 00:27:21,108 --> 00:27:23,198 Phase one usually starts with the cold wallet. 536 00:27:23,728 --> 00:27:27,958 We have a whole list of cold wallets that we've tested and we recommend. 537 00:27:27,968 --> 00:27:31,128 , you can see from the list, we have like four or five really good ones. 538 00:27:31,238 --> 00:27:32,958 So we have no affiliation with anyone. 539 00:27:32,968 --> 00:27:34,888 The user can pick whichever one they want. 540 00:27:35,298 --> 00:27:37,508 They don't pay us to recommend their products. 541 00:27:37,918 --> 00:27:39,098 You pick whatever you want. 542 00:27:39,778 --> 00:27:41,248 When you have it, you call back. 543 00:27:41,298 --> 00:27:42,228 I'll help you set it up. 544 00:27:42,228 --> 00:27:42,908 Doesn't really matter. 545 00:27:42,908 --> 00:27:44,218 Same thing for all the products. 546 00:27:44,958 --> 00:27:47,168 So we are really like a neutral company. 547 00:27:47,298 --> 00:27:50,138 This is why, and when we intend to be this way, because we really 548 00:27:50,138 --> 00:27:52,318 want to focus on providing. 549 00:27:52,943 --> 00:27:53,573 The truth. 550 00:27:53,653 --> 00:27:54,913 Knowledge and truth. 551 00:27:55,033 --> 00:28:00,643 So we're not going to, sweep things under the rug to favor one person over another. 552 00:28:00,983 --> 00:28:06,753 If something needs to be said, then, , we will say it if it benefits the people. 553 00:28:06,803 --> 00:28:11,173 Bitcoin is for the people and we're here to ensure that everyone is set up 554 00:28:11,503 --> 00:28:15,343 properly in a bulletproof and airtight way from now to the end of time. 555 00:28:15,954 --> 00:28:17,044 Yeah, sounds awesome. 556 00:28:17,134 --> 00:28:19,484 Sounds like we should have a longer call 557 00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:21,079 Yeah, well, we could. 558 00:28:21,144 --> 00:28:22,704 without an audience someday. 559 00:28:24,249 --> 00:28:25,299 Absolutely, man. 560 00:28:25,339 --> 00:28:26,049 Absolutely. 561 00:28:26,951 --> 00:28:27,261 Yeah. 562 00:28:28,071 --> 00:28:32,284 As you know, both me and Luke have felt this calling as well. 563 00:28:32,284 --> 00:28:32,964 This is nothing. 564 00:28:33,714 --> 00:28:36,404 This is not something you choose to do because. 565 00:28:37,243 --> 00:28:38,123 for fun. 566 00:28:39,273 --> 00:28:41,273 I mean, it is, it is a calling. 567 00:28:41,483 --> 00:28:46,599 It is something that it's an outside force in a way that compels you to do these 568 00:28:46,639 --> 00:28:50,989 things because you've seen something, and you want everyone in the world to 569 00:28:50,989 --> 00:28:57,939 see it because you can see how much better a place the world would be if they did. 570 00:28:58,684 --> 00:29:00,604 , and then you just can't help yourself. 571 00:29:00,704 --> 00:29:02,214 It's too good to be true almost. 572 00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:05,644 And the more you try to debunk it, the more, the more convinced you get. 573 00:29:06,524 --> 00:29:07,344 Yeah, absolutely. 574 00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:10,524 I mean, you have to meet, people where they are , on this journey, there's no way 575 00:29:10,524 --> 00:29:15,514 you're going to shove, thousands of hours of research into someone in five minutes, 576 00:29:15,724 --> 00:29:17,624 that you just, met down the street. 577 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:21,644 Before the Bitcoin way, I was orange pilling, People for 578 00:29:21,644 --> 00:29:22,854 three, four years for fun. 579 00:29:22,884 --> 00:29:25,504 I mean, I've, I've orange spilled maybe like a hundred 580 00:29:25,504 --> 00:29:27,154 folks, you know, just on my own. 581 00:29:27,154 --> 00:29:30,814 And these are a casual people, restaurant waiters, barbers, 582 00:29:31,454 --> 00:29:32,994 that, that type of individual. 583 00:29:33,274 --> 00:29:35,414 And it all started, with a fun conversation. 584 00:29:35,494 --> 00:29:35,784 And. 585 00:29:36,189 --> 00:29:39,069 The way I do it is that I actually show them how it works, 586 00:29:39,159 --> 00:29:40,319 without explaining anything. 587 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,779 I'm like, uh, like the restaurant's usually like the easiest one. 588 00:29:42,779 --> 00:29:44,529 I tell people when you start in a restaurant, it's like 589 00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:45,819 your easiest playground. 590 00:29:46,309 --> 00:29:48,069 Tell them, okay, I'll give you, I'm going to give you your tip. 591 00:29:48,069 --> 00:29:48,699 I'll pay you in Bitcoin. 592 00:29:49,349 --> 00:29:50,199 Takes two minutes. 593 00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:51,469 They're gonna laugh. 594 00:29:51,489 --> 00:29:52,209 Some of them will be nervous. 595 00:29:52,239 --> 00:29:53,259 They have no idea what to do. 596 00:29:53,309 --> 00:29:54,349 They all have phones. 597 00:29:54,539 --> 00:29:55,439 Download the phone. 598 00:29:55,809 --> 00:29:58,049 I like to start them off with a non custodial phone. 599 00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:01,076 So, for example, Lightning, I download the Phoenix wallet. 600 00:30:01,076 --> 00:30:04,276 A lot of people, use the wallet of Satoshi, which is an excellent wallet. 601 00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:05,946 There's no denying that. 602 00:30:05,996 --> 00:30:09,746 But, from a Bitcoin principle perspective, , not your 603 00:30:09,746 --> 00:30:11,106 keys, not your coins, right? 604 00:30:11,486 --> 00:30:14,826 So, I want to get them off on the right foot. 605 00:30:14,826 --> 00:30:16,576 So, you start off with a non custodial lightning wallet, 606 00:30:16,576 --> 00:30:19,806 at the same time, two minutes, download it, send the funds, done. 607 00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:21,606 And they're like, what happened? 608 00:30:21,666 --> 00:30:22,756 And they look at the money like, ah, shit. 609 00:30:23,986 --> 00:30:24,866 What do I do with this now? 610 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:25,706 That's the next question. 611 00:30:25,706 --> 00:30:28,806 Well, now you do nothing, you just leave it and I'll see you like in a 612 00:30:29,016 --> 00:30:33,096 few weeks and you'll see that this 10 or 20 now is actually worth more 613 00:30:33,306 --> 00:30:35,976 and then you'll understand why this is such a big deal, like you pique 614 00:30:35,976 --> 00:30:40,496 the curiosity that way before you get into, the heavy stuff, but it works. 615 00:30:40,576 --> 00:30:41,296 I mean, it works. 616 00:30:41,296 --> 00:30:43,056 There's folks that, believed in nothing. 617 00:30:43,056 --> 00:30:46,156 They thought it was all a scam and they just did it to entertain me, the client, 618 00:30:46,616 --> 00:30:50,446 but now sometimes I feel they're more maxi than I am, there are folks that 619 00:30:50,446 --> 00:30:52,726 started off with a 1 percent allocation. 620 00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:57,266 Now they're at 60 and that's with zero involvement from my end. 621 00:30:57,266 --> 00:31:02,406 These are folks that I bumped, into like months after the initial conversation 622 00:31:02,406 --> 00:31:06,596 and set up and they're like, Hey, look what I have, so orange pilling, , you 623 00:31:06,596 --> 00:31:08,046 have to meet people where they are. 624 00:31:08,926 --> 00:31:10,766 Unfortunately, I don't think. 625 00:31:11,461 --> 00:31:14,371 The majority will get it before it's too late. 626 00:31:14,914 --> 00:31:20,174 but that's because pain is usually your best teacher, at least in my experience. 627 00:31:20,234 --> 00:31:24,034 If you don't get destroyed and wrecked, you'll never learn or you wouldn't 628 00:31:24,044 --> 00:31:28,284 be open enough to understand that someone's actually trying to help you. 629 00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:31,084 You always, , come at it from, what's he trying to sell me? 630 00:31:31,084 --> 00:31:31,794 Is he lying to me? 631 00:31:31,794 --> 00:31:32,524 Can I trust him? 632 00:31:33,374 --> 00:31:39,504 Most instinctive human reactions are along those lines, so that's why I think most 633 00:31:39,504 --> 00:31:41,484 people, will have to go through the pain. 634 00:31:41,949 --> 00:31:46,086 Before they wake up, when my job is to make sure that that 635 00:31:46,086 --> 00:31:48,076 number is as low as possible. 636 00:31:48,704 --> 00:31:54,294 Yeah, yeah, I always say that take the orange pill now or be forced to 637 00:31:54,294 --> 00:31:56,344 take the orange suppository later. 638 00:31:57,154 --> 00:31:59,504 Because those are the only two choices you have. 639 00:32:00,509 --> 00:32:03,569 The suppository is the per is the perfect word for this. 640 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,329 Because that's exactly where it's going to be. 641 00:32:06,329 --> 00:32:08,169 I mean, if you have kids... 642 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:12,999 It's, it's your responsibility as a parent to at least consider 643 00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:15,809 this, what kind of role model do you want to be for your kids? 644 00:32:15,829 --> 00:32:17,359 You know, it's a deep conversation. 645 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:22,569 Bitcoin opens up so many directions of conversations beyond the money 646 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:27,909 that are all valid, and all center around something that is 647 00:32:27,969 --> 00:32:32,409 permissionless and trustless and cannot be manipulated by anyone. 648 00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:37,357 I don't know how familiar you are with my rants, but one of the points I always 649 00:32:37,357 --> 00:32:39,787 try to make is that you are your Bitcoins. 650 00:32:40,267 --> 00:32:44,047 Since Bitcoin is all about keeping a secret, since it's just information, 651 00:32:44,457 --> 00:32:48,597 the final resting place for every single Bitcoin is in someone's head. 652 00:32:48,657 --> 00:32:52,647 It needs someone's action and someone's deliberate. 653 00:32:52,944 --> 00:32:55,130 Brain movement to do anything. 654 00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:57,290 The bitcoins don't do anything on their own. 655 00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:59,430 And the same with the miners and the nodes. 656 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,220 They're not the computer doing the calculations. 657 00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:06,870 The guy who chooses to buy the computer to run the software, to do the calculations. 658 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:07,080 Right. 659 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,205 So, at its core, bitcoin is a part of each and every one of us, and I find 660 00:33:12,205 --> 00:33:16,255 it so insanely fascinating when you start looking at it that way because 661 00:33:16,255 --> 00:33:19,925 you realize quite quickly that the two main things that Bitcoin does to 662 00:33:19,925 --> 00:33:22,845 people is that it lowers their time preference because they now have 663 00:33:22,845 --> 00:33:27,275 something that they know will keep its value over time in all likelihood. 664 00:33:27,665 --> 00:33:31,225 So they can feel more financially secured over time, especially if they're 665 00:33:31,225 --> 00:33:34,745 in a place like Lebanon where you lose money every day from inflation 666 00:33:34,755 --> 00:33:37,045 or true for every place, really. 667 00:33:37,315 --> 00:33:39,319 But, the other thing is that. 668 00:33:39,709 --> 00:33:43,609 As Bitcoiners, we're incentivized to help one another because Bitcoin 669 00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:48,369 succeeds faster if Bitcoiners succeed in whatever endeavors 670 00:33:48,369 --> 00:33:50,709 they're engaged in at the moment. 671 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:56,505 So, if I help you and you help me, we help Bitcoin and we both gain from that. 672 00:33:56,875 --> 00:34:03,182 And that, to me, does something to Bitcoin companies because a fiat company 673 00:34:03,242 --> 00:34:08,682 It's engaged in free market competition and free market competition is good, but 674 00:34:08,682 --> 00:34:14,002 it can be, weird when you get lobbyists, lobbying politicians and people getting 675 00:34:14,002 --> 00:34:18,942 into artificial monopoly situations and, and it's a, you know, move fast 676 00:34:18,942 --> 00:34:21,302 and wreck things, uh, sort of situation. 677 00:34:21,722 --> 00:34:27,132 So, I view real Bitcoin companies as companies who get this, that they're 678 00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:32,247 all incentivized to help other Bitcoin companies and other Bitcoiners succeed. 679 00:34:32,537 --> 00:34:33,557 So how do you see that? 680 00:34:33,587 --> 00:34:36,947 Do you see a lot of collaboration down the line between the Bitcoin 681 00:34:36,957 --> 00:34:38,817 way and other Bitcoin companies? 682 00:34:39,287 --> 00:34:43,117 And I'm, of course, not talking about being biased and getting 683 00:34:43,117 --> 00:34:45,834 a ton of dollars from Ledger. 684 00:34:46,824 --> 00:34:48,614 That's not what I'm talking about here. 685 00:34:48,614 --> 00:34:54,277 But just in general, collaboration between all bitcoin companies on some level. 686 00:34:54,277 --> 00:34:57,260 Do you see that becoming more and more of a thing in the future? 687 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:59,400 Yes, I mean, everything is possible. 688 00:34:59,410 --> 00:35:03,790 We are open to have conversations with anyone that wants to have them. 689 00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:07,710 We have our principles, though, that we are not going to, break 690 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:09,340 or sway from for anyone. 691 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:14,790 for example, we are not going to engage or support any project 692 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,340 that, , does censorship on any level, that's a non negotiable thing. 693 00:35:18,340 --> 00:35:21,500 We won't, support any projects that voluntarily collaborates 694 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:22,820 with chain analysis, for example. 695 00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:23,720 That's a no go too. 696 00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:30,790 We are pro freedom, pro The right to own your own time and energy. 697 00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:32,780 There's no gray zones about this. 698 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:35,970 You know, you're either you're going to do it right or stay in fiat. 699 00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:37,850 There's no point, wasting anybody's time. 700 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,290 We encourage companies to accept Bitcoin, and we encourage Bitcoiners to spend a 701 00:35:44,290 --> 00:35:49,350 small allocation of their Bitcoin holdings to support businesses that accept it. 702 00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:54,940 And I say this, specifically to fast track the normalization of Bitcoin. 703 00:35:55,350 --> 00:35:58,880 In the real world for everyday people, in the sense that, when Mr. 704 00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,940 and Mrs. 705 00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:05,370 Joe walk into a store, they need to see cash, credit card, Bitcoin, cash, credit 706 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:08,260 card, Bitcoin, every single place they go. 707 00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:13,130 So they start thinking about it as money and not just this speculative thing 708 00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,750 that you're going to buy and hold and make you like a billionaire one day. 709 00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:21,712 , that's like a side effect of Bitcoin, but I want Bitcoin to become normalized 710 00:36:21,712 --> 00:36:25,082 in the world so that it becomes like electricity, like the internet, like 711 00:36:25,082 --> 00:36:27,072 it's something that's always been there. 712 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,059 this is how Bitcoin wins. 713 00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:29,889 Okay. 714 00:36:29,889 --> 00:36:34,514 And the sooner we do this, the quicker we get to where we want to see 715 00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:38,644 Bitcoin in our lifetime., ultimately I'm convinced Bitcoin will become 716 00:36:38,914 --> 00:36:41,704 the global standard for everything. 717 00:36:42,344 --> 00:36:44,914 Now, if I want it to happen in my lifetime, there's a lot more 718 00:36:44,914 --> 00:36:49,134 people like myself that have to, do a lot of work in order to fast 719 00:36:49,154 --> 00:36:51,604 track that, that time timeline. 720 00:36:51,654 --> 00:36:54,777 Otherwise, , it'll happen, if you have kids and, , your kids, lifetime, 721 00:36:54,817 --> 00:36:56,057 maybe their kids, I don't know. 722 00:36:56,457 --> 00:37:00,797 But yeah, the more contributions we can offer the world in terms of 723 00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:02,242 Bitcoin adoption, we will do it. 724 00:37:02,642 --> 00:37:03,422 No problems there. 725 00:37:04,052 --> 00:37:04,762 Excellent. 726 00:37:05,342 --> 00:37:08,062 Luke, do you have any questions for Tony on your mind? 727 00:37:08,342 --> 00:37:09,589 Yeah, little bit of... 728 00:37:10,044 --> 00:37:15,554 Professional curiosity, actually, my fiat job, and for the foreseeable future 729 00:37:15,664 --> 00:37:17,894 will continue to be in, in cybersecurity. 730 00:37:17,914 --> 00:37:22,144 And so I'd like to hear about that part of your background and 731 00:37:22,154 --> 00:37:24,004 what that brings to your work. 732 00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:25,659 Uh, roll in the Bitcoin way. 733 00:37:26,659 --> 00:37:28,949 You mean like, , the security models that we implement? 734 00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:31,459 Yeah, I mean, we take security very seriously. 735 00:37:31,469 --> 00:37:36,799 Like for example, before even getting to the Bitcoin itself, we check networks. 736 00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:39,949 We can go as far as making sure, for example, that you have a good router in 737 00:37:39,949 --> 00:37:41,519 place, that the router's properly set up. 738 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,929 Is your computer infected or susceptible to infection? 739 00:37:46,464 --> 00:37:47,694 , what do you have installed on it? 740 00:37:47,714 --> 00:37:48,274 Is it old? 741 00:37:48,274 --> 00:37:48,824 Is it new? 742 00:37:48,844 --> 00:37:49,774 What are you doing on it? 743 00:37:49,804 --> 00:37:51,024 You know, all of these things. 744 00:37:51,374 --> 00:37:55,824 We can go as far as to, minimizing the risk factor as much as possible 745 00:37:56,094 --> 00:37:59,764 even before getting to the Bitcoin because all of this ecosystem, 746 00:38:00,424 --> 00:38:01,814 all these elements are involved. 747 00:38:01,814 --> 00:38:03,784 It's not just a cold wallet and a node and that's it. 748 00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,264 Your cold wallet, your node, they all go through a router 749 00:38:06,294 --> 00:38:07,264 to go through the internet. 750 00:38:07,264 --> 00:38:09,824 So if those are compromised, then you possibly have a problem. 751 00:38:10,224 --> 00:38:13,644 If your computer is compromised with like malware or virus, 752 00:38:13,684 --> 00:38:14,604 , then you have a problem. 753 00:38:15,434 --> 00:38:18,594 A big thing that a lot of people don't even know is a risk. 754 00:38:19,064 --> 00:38:21,434 These are the actual cables that they use. 755 00:38:22,354 --> 00:38:25,154 Did you know that there are cables that are infected with malware? 756 00:38:26,074 --> 00:38:31,044 So you can buy a USB cable, regular looking cable, looks no 757 00:38:31,044 --> 00:38:32,994 different from an infected one. 758 00:38:33,454 --> 00:38:36,664 You plug this into your computer, your computer's done because 759 00:38:36,674 --> 00:38:38,894 this cable contains a web server. 760 00:38:39,149 --> 00:38:43,129 Which allows a remote hacker to execute scripts to do absolutely 761 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,979 anything and everything they want on your machine without your knowledge. 762 00:38:47,699 --> 00:38:48,139 Okay? 763 00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:50,669 Most people have no idea this even exists. 764 00:38:51,729 --> 00:38:52,579 I check for it. 765 00:38:53,189 --> 00:38:56,949 They think I'm crazy, but you know, once we find something, 766 00:38:56,949 --> 00:38:57,989 then they're like, what the hell? 767 00:38:58,019 --> 00:38:58,969 Where did you buy this from? 768 00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,839 Well, I bought it from some cheap vendor for 2. 769 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:01,849 99. 770 00:39:01,849 --> 00:39:03,169 I'm like, ah, there you go. 771 00:39:03,709 --> 00:39:04,379 That's why it was 2. 772 00:39:04,379 --> 00:39:05,019 99. 773 00:39:05,019 --> 00:39:07,819 It's because you were worth more than the cable. 774 00:39:08,489 --> 00:39:12,049 So, all of these details we think about. 775 00:39:12,789 --> 00:39:17,009 Anything that has to do with Bitcoin, for example, and this is where, by the way, 776 00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:20,679 here's a shout out to CoinKite because I think they do a really good job at this. 777 00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:24,329 When you buy something from CoinKite, they wipe your data after 30 days. 778 00:39:25,314 --> 00:39:28,834 So when you buy something Bitcoin related from another 779 00:39:28,834 --> 00:39:30,594 merchant, do they wipe your data? 780 00:39:31,399 --> 00:39:32,289 Not necessarily. 781 00:39:32,289 --> 00:39:37,489 And the best thing that CoinKite brought, uh, well, whenever I guess they, they go 782 00:39:37,489 --> 00:39:42,239 to conferences and you can, can buy, uh, entirely KYC free, but they, they brought 783 00:39:42,509 --> 00:39:45,269 cold cards to Riga, Altecani Badger. 784 00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:46,809 And it was fantastic. 785 00:39:46,889 --> 00:39:47,229 Yeah. 786 00:39:47,604 --> 00:39:51,534 But you see, that's because I don't know if it's NVK was making the decisions, 787 00:39:51,534 --> 00:39:55,244 but their mindset is pure in that sense. 788 00:39:55,444 --> 00:39:58,334 We're very aligned in this in direction of the thought 789 00:39:58,394 --> 00:39:59,874 process behind these decisions. 790 00:40:00,544 --> 00:40:02,124 You know, like privacy is a big deal. 791 00:40:02,364 --> 00:40:05,434 So when you buy anything Bitcoin related from anyone, regardless of 792 00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:08,944 who it is, the merchant themselves may have a fantastic product. 793 00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:10,684 They could be the best people in the world. 794 00:40:11,044 --> 00:40:11,974 They get hacked. 795 00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:13,250 You're in trouble. 796 00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:18,351 And a lot of folks don't even think about this now because Bitcoin is like 26, 000. 797 00:40:18,351 --> 00:40:19,010 It's no big deal. 798 00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:21,390 When Bitcoin is worth a hundred million dollars. 799 00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:27,780 Let me tell you, every hack is a kill shot because it becomes very dangerous 800 00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:32,420 at that point because people are specifically after the asset and those 801 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:37,430 that are hacking exchanges And doing, these things, they're not stupid people. 802 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:42,200 They know exactly what they're doing, why they're doing it and how to get to it. 803 00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:45,550 So privacy is a big deal. 804 00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:50,000 And if there's a way to preserve your privacy or to protect your privacy, 805 00:40:50,090 --> 00:40:53,505 even as far as when you're making your purchases, we will find it. 806 00:40:53,895 --> 00:40:55,085 And we will advise you on it. 807 00:40:55,365 --> 00:40:59,145 And at the end of the day, it's up to you to either, take the advice or not. 808 00:40:59,495 --> 00:41:01,855 Obviously we don't compel anyone to do anything. 809 00:41:02,165 --> 00:41:04,055 We provide information. 810 00:41:04,959 --> 00:41:10,964 So, it's Is this the only way for Bitcoin to become more secure for 811 00:41:10,964 --> 00:41:13,344 the individual user in the future? 812 00:41:13,384 --> 00:41:15,434 To just listen to advice? 813 00:41:16,014 --> 00:41:19,214 Or will the free market take care of it sooner or later? 814 00:41:19,214 --> 00:41:23,164 Like, how do you see the future playing out when the world 815 00:41:23,164 --> 00:41:24,714 is getting hyperbitcoinized? 816 00:41:25,234 --> 00:41:28,654 Obviously a lot of people will lose a lot of coins, which is good for the 817 00:41:28,654 --> 00:41:31,314 people who still have their coins, because scarcity goes up, Uh... 818 00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:38,350 Still how far into the future do you think services like this 819 00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:40,080 will be needed, like forever? 820 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,760 Or, um, is it a transitory phase or? 821 00:41:43,105 --> 00:41:47,645 Well, I, no, I think it'll, I mean, I think it'll be forever. 822 00:41:47,655 --> 00:41:48,745 you're dealing with money here. 823 00:41:48,745 --> 00:41:50,555 You're not dealing with a table or a chair. 824 00:41:50,555 --> 00:41:51,655 It's not a luxury item. 825 00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:52,680 Money. 826 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:53,590 It's money. 827 00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:56,770 It's something that every human being needs. 828 00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:59,740 It's not something that it's an option for them to want to get. 829 00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:00,630 You have no money. 830 00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:01,170 You have nothing. 831 00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:01,870 You can't live. 832 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:08,150 So securing those funds is going, always going to be an imperative thing to do. 833 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:11,840 The notion of self custody petrifies a lot of people because 834 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:12,920 they've never had to do it. 835 00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:15,800 Being your own bank, it sounds cool, but , for a lot of people, it's 836 00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:18,660 like, Wow, man, this is too scary. 837 00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:19,910 So they don't want to do it. 838 00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:27,470 And so, you have other services that capitalize on this fear by sort of 839 00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:31,260 like mimicking the conveniences of the traditional world into Bitcoin. 840 00:42:31,937 --> 00:42:34,187 And everything is okay as long as everything is okay. 841 00:42:34,687 --> 00:42:41,067 But as long as, as soon as something goes wrong, then people are like what happened? 842 00:42:41,417 --> 00:42:44,557 And then they automatically assume that Bitcoin's the problem. 843 00:42:44,557 --> 00:42:45,727 Look, it's a scam, it's a shitcoin. 844 00:42:46,927 --> 00:42:47,417 No, it's not. 845 00:42:47,437 --> 00:42:48,527 Bitcoin's not the problem. 846 00:42:49,137 --> 00:42:50,207 The problem is... 847 00:42:50,642 --> 00:42:55,812 You sacrificed responsibility for convenience and now you've paid the price. 848 00:42:56,682 --> 00:42:57,612 That's what happened. 849 00:42:58,588 --> 00:42:58,878 Yeah. 850 00:42:58,878 --> 00:43:01,308 Reminds me of the Benjamin Franklin quote. 851 00:43:01,368 --> 00:43:01,808 What is it? 852 00:43:01,848 --> 00:43:07,098 Any society that would give up , a little liberty for a little temporary security 853 00:43:07,138 --> 00:43:08,938 deserves neither and will lose both. 854 00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:11,483 100%, 100%. 855 00:43:11,993 --> 00:43:13,373 Self custody is not hard. 856 00:43:13,393 --> 00:43:14,343 It's just new. 857 00:43:14,583 --> 00:43:15,953 You know, like it's been said many times. 858 00:43:15,953 --> 00:43:19,513 I mean, if you drive a car, you're doing something way more 859 00:43:19,513 --> 00:43:20,923 complicated than self custody. 860 00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:25,593 But you're familiar with driving a car, but were you born a car driver? 861 00:43:25,593 --> 00:43:27,043 No, you had to learn it, right? 862 00:43:27,898 --> 00:43:31,518 So, how is that any different from learning to self custody your money? 863 00:43:31,518 --> 00:43:32,008 It's not. 864 00:43:32,478 --> 00:43:36,688 You just have to be willing to sit down, listen, and learn to protect 865 00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:38,828 something that you absolutely need. 866 00:43:39,298 --> 00:43:40,758 It's not an option. 867 00:43:41,028 --> 00:43:42,568 It's Bitcoin or slavery. 868 00:43:42,718 --> 00:43:44,888 You want to choose the convenient, convenience road? 869 00:43:44,898 --> 00:43:47,928 Well, you have many governments that will be more than happy to 870 00:43:47,928 --> 00:43:49,078 provide you that convenience. 871 00:43:50,048 --> 00:43:51,448 But that comes at a price. 872 00:43:52,375 --> 00:44:01,915 Yeah, it reminds me of that picture of a lion in a zoo, and a lion, a proud male 873 00:44:01,915 --> 00:44:06,445 lion on top of the, you know, the Lion King image was standing on top of some 874 00:44:06,445 --> 00:44:11,825 mountain being The King of the Sahara or , the king of the Serengeti is the word. 875 00:44:12,035 --> 00:44:17,015 And, , the lion in the Sioux being, uh, malnourished, but still 876 00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:21,835 able to survive because he gets a meal every day from his captors. 877 00:44:21,895 --> 00:44:23,155 But he's still behind bars. 878 00:44:23,155 --> 00:44:26,625 So you choose if you're a real lion or if you're a captive 879 00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:28,375 lion, that's the choice you have. 880 00:44:28,585 --> 00:44:29,575 You've seen the meme, I guess. 881 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,260 yeah, of course, of course. 882 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:35,050 I mean, people, need to understand what the word freedom means. 883 00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:39,770 Until you actually truly understand what it means and what it represents. 884 00:44:40,456 --> 00:44:44,836 This is why I go back to the whole: sometimes it takes extreme pain to slap 885 00:44:44,836 --> 00:44:48,816 you out of whatever coma you're in, to wake you up, so to speak, you know? 886 00:44:49,326 --> 00:44:53,036 And then once you get it, that's it, you're done, man. 887 00:44:53,236 --> 00:44:55,586 There's no way you're going back to the other side. 888 00:44:55,916 --> 00:45:00,296 And thankfully, there seems to be a lot more people that are getting it. 889 00:45:00,916 --> 00:45:05,876 And that's definitely a big step forward for humanity, because, the 890 00:45:05,876 --> 00:45:10,686 alternative to this is very dire, and I don't want to live in such a 891 00:45:10,686 --> 00:45:16,146 future, and I don't wish for anyone's kids to have to live in such a future, 892 00:45:16,396 --> 00:45:17,796 one that they have no control over. 893 00:45:18,981 --> 00:45:22,881 , no one has the right to dictate what you do with your life, absolutely no one. 894 00:45:24,976 --> 00:45:30,436 So, you obviously come from a computer security background, but what's 895 00:45:30,436 --> 00:45:31,866 your background with economics? 896 00:45:31,866 --> 00:45:35,166 Did you study any Austrian economics and praxeology and all of that? 897 00:45:35,351 --> 00:45:39,661 No, that's the funny part is that I hated those courses in, in, in college. 898 00:45:39,701 --> 00:45:42,111 The only reason I took them is because I was dating the 899 00:45:42,121 --> 00:45:44,661 teacher, you know, but beyond, 900 00:45:44,676 --> 00:45:45,406 ha, ha, ha, 901 00:45:45,771 --> 00:45:48,581 but beyond, but beyond that, I was never interested in them. 902 00:45:48,701 --> 00:45:55,941 But now because of Bitcoin, I'm far more informed and Interested and educated 903 00:45:56,001 --> 00:45:58,661 on the matter that I've ever been. 904 00:45:58,691 --> 00:46:02,881 I don't think what I know now, I would have never learned in school or college. 905 00:46:03,201 --> 00:46:06,821 I mean, there are some amazing folks that have written books, you being one 906 00:46:06,821 --> 00:46:12,571 of them that have taught me things that I would have never in my entire lifetime, 907 00:46:13,711 --> 00:46:18,551 thought possible for me to understand, and that deepens my conviction. 908 00:46:19,101 --> 00:46:23,141 into what I'm doing, you know, it 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--> 00:48:03,830 in a social and engaging way. 943 00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:07,000 And supporters can send sats to their favorite projects. 944 00:48:07,447 --> 00:48:10,747 Geyser has also recently integrated with Zapps and Podcasting 2. 945 00:48:10,747 --> 00:48:11,207 0. 946 00:48:11,557 --> 00:48:15,107 So every Zapp sent to a Geyser address shows up on the Geyser page. 947 00:48:15,867 --> 00:48:17,327 We have a Geyser fund ourselves. 948 00:48:17,337 --> 00:48:19,497 It's the best way to support our show directly with Bitcoin. 949 00:48:20,507 --> 00:48:24,367 So whether you're a creator or a supporter, check out geyser at geyser. 950 00:48:24,367 --> 00:48:25,267 fund today. 951 00:48:25,729 --> 00:48:30,209 So do you have any book recommendations or content recommendations in Bitcoin? 952 00:48:30,662 --> 00:48:31,972 There's a lot of good books, man. 953 00:48:31,972 --> 00:48:34,972 A lot of people like to start off with, the Bitcoin Standard, 954 00:48:34,972 --> 00:48:37,102 Seyfeddin Amoussi is like, the go to. 955 00:48:37,102 --> 00:48:39,002 There's a lot of people that start off with that. 956 00:48:39,012 --> 00:48:41,632 For some reason, it resonates with them, but, there's Jeff 957 00:48:41,672 --> 00:48:43,032 Booth's, Price of Tomorrow. 958 00:48:43,442 --> 00:48:44,522 There's a lot of stuff out there. 959 00:48:44,522 --> 00:48:48,222 I mean, I don't recall them all by hand now, but I do a lot of reading, 960 00:48:48,232 --> 00:48:50,112 on my own whenever I have the time. 961 00:48:50,142 --> 00:48:54,842 I listen to a lot of ... Good people on Twitter, to stay up to date, with 962 00:48:54,912 --> 00:48:59,312 those topics that were not necessarily my strong point with regards to macro 963 00:48:59,312 --> 00:49:00,882 and microeconomics and all that stuff. 964 00:49:00,882 --> 00:49:04,172 Sometimes even philosophy, like Robert Breedlove, I listen to him 965 00:49:04,172 --> 00:49:07,442 sometimes he brings perspectives that I've never thought of before, 966 00:49:07,452 --> 00:49:13,127 which are very insightful and useful, but also help us doing what we do. 967 00:49:13,137 --> 00:49:16,287 Sometimes you get a question that's not technical, based on, the knowledge that 968 00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:20,417 you know, you sort of like explain it in a way that The other individual, like it 969 00:49:20,427 --> 00:49:22,857 makes sense to them and you move forward. 970 00:49:22,857 --> 00:49:25,557 Like you said, everybody helps each other in one way or another. 971 00:49:25,567 --> 00:49:31,187 We primarily provide the tech knowledge about this, but our knowledge is 972 00:49:31,187 --> 00:49:34,717 coming constantly from all other people, from all different directions. 973 00:49:34,727 --> 00:49:36,877 We're not narrow minded just on the tech. 974 00:49:36,897 --> 00:49:40,887 No, we want to know everything about everything that has to do with Bitcoin and 975 00:49:40,887 --> 00:49:46,157 what we can do to accelerate its adoption and, keep contributing to it positively. 976 00:49:46,899 --> 00:49:51,386 so do you think people can get Bitcoin without first getting what's 977 00:49:51,856 --> 00:49:56,316 wrong with the traditional system and how they're being robbed by 978 00:49:56,316 --> 00:49:58,906 it, or is that a required insight? 979 00:49:58,906 --> 00:50:01,986 Like you said, you have to have the pain, like if you can understand 980 00:50:02,006 --> 00:50:04,626 how inflation is stealing from you. 981 00:50:05,056 --> 00:50:07,696 Is that, and how Bitcoin can't steal from you. 982 00:50:07,746 --> 00:50:13,986 Is that a required, insight to get Bitcoin at all in your opinion? 983 00:50:15,177 --> 00:50:17,667 It certainly helps make it faster and easier. 984 00:50:18,077 --> 00:50:21,897 If somebody's been completely wrecked, to explain why Bitcoin matters. 985 00:50:21,907 --> 00:50:24,187 But there are people that understand it. 986 00:50:24,197 --> 00:50:27,677 I've encountered many folks, that I've sat down with and explained it to them, 987 00:50:27,947 --> 00:50:31,621 but they were open minded to begin with, to hear what I had to say to, , and 988 00:50:31,621 --> 00:50:36,576 I show them like concrete examples as to why, what it is, what's it for, 989 00:50:36,666 --> 00:50:38,456 why the current system is no good. 990 00:50:38,631 --> 00:50:41,021 Why you need an option, and then so forth. 991 00:50:41,191 --> 00:50:42,001 Some people get it. 992 00:50:42,011 --> 00:50:45,171 Most people, unfortunately, they don't get it. 993 00:50:45,611 --> 00:50:49,571 And the sad part is that those that need it the most are the ones 994 00:50:49,571 --> 00:50:51,851 that don't take it too seriously. 995 00:50:52,211 --> 00:50:56,341 And by those, are usually high net worth individuals. 996 00:50:56,771 --> 00:50:57,081 Okay? 997 00:50:57,081 --> 00:50:57,741 Ironically. 998 00:50:58,621 --> 00:51:04,561 Because they're so rich that it's almost like a form of arrogance, I find. 999 00:51:04,571 --> 00:51:06,651 They feel so rich, like you're untouchable. 1000 00:51:07,751 --> 00:51:09,371 Come on, man, this will never happen to me. 1001 00:51:10,071 --> 00:51:10,481 Really? 1002 00:51:11,471 --> 00:51:13,431 There were people worth billions in Lebanon too. 1003 00:51:13,931 --> 00:51:16,771 That woke up the next day homeless, literally 1004 00:51:16,846 --> 00:51:18,356 you have, the more you have to lose. 1005 00:51:18,601 --> 00:51:19,791 yeah, yeah. 1006 00:51:20,151 --> 00:51:26,311 So, and another important thing, we take, by we, I mean people that are, in 1007 00:51:26,321 --> 00:51:31,411 financial privilege, take the fact that you can buy Bitcoin so easily for granted. 1008 00:51:31,471 --> 00:51:34,521 For us, it's like, we're investing for a better future. 1009 00:51:35,041 --> 00:51:38,161 So we can easily go, buy it off an exchange or you buy it 1010 00:51:38,351 --> 00:51:41,011 peer to peer, whatever the case, you have access to it easily. 1011 00:51:41,751 --> 00:51:46,911 So the people on this side of the planet are doing it as a 1012 00:51:47,221 --> 00:51:48,521 hedge against what's coming. 1013 00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:52,441 The other side of the planet is using it to survive. 1014 00:51:52,986 --> 00:51:54,106 There's a very big difference. 1015 00:51:54,706 --> 00:51:58,176 Bitcoin in certain parts of the world is literally saving lives. 1016 00:51:58,636 --> 00:52:01,766 They cannot eat, they cannot buy anything without it. 1017 00:52:02,916 --> 00:52:08,916 So, you have to keep a very, open mind about this, that yes, Bitcoin 1018 00:52:08,916 --> 00:52:13,586 serves many, fixes many things, but some people desperately need it. 1019 00:52:14,350 --> 00:52:19,690 Yeah, I know from personal experience, one of the things that happened to me quite 1020 00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:24,175 early in my, public Bitcoiner A career or whatever you may call it, was that I 1021 00:52:24,175 --> 00:52:29,615 got a letter from a guy who just recently fled Venezuela, and they thanked me for my 1022 00:52:29,975 --> 00:52:32,580 writings, had motivated him to do that. 1023 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:37,850 So it was actually affecting a human being's life and, in some 1024 00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:42,570 way, shape or form help them escape a to totalitarian regime. 1025 00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:46,250 And that's was so empowering and such a holy shit moment , for me. 1026 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:53,210 If it, it can just help someone somewhere, , a little bit that it has this cascading 1027 00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:56,830 effects that affects absolutely everyone on the planet in the end, and it's 1028 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,870 just what an amazing time to be alive. 1029 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,290 What an amazing thing to be a part of. 1030 00:53:02,330 --> 00:53:04,460 It's just completely. 1031 00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:08,390 Takes over your view of yourself and your view of the world. 1032 00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:09,710 And it's just beautiful. 1033 00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:13,565 You see the flaws in the, traditional system, and that's tragic and everything. 1034 00:53:13,565 --> 00:53:16,655 But the hope that this instills in people, it's great. 1035 00:53:16,925 --> 00:53:21,475 And to your point about the two sides of the planet, let's not forget that. 1036 00:53:22,255 --> 00:53:26,815 All the poor people in the world and all the people below the poverty 1037 00:53:26,815 --> 00:53:29,915 line, they can all accept Bitcoin for their goods and services. 1038 00:53:30,565 --> 00:53:34,035 And that's where the real magic happens when you start accepting 1039 00:53:34,035 --> 00:53:35,265 it for your goods and services. 1040 00:53:35,735 --> 00:53:38,675 That's where the real freedom comes in, right? 1041 00:53:39,085 --> 00:53:40,165 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 1042 00:53:40,185 --> 00:53:43,435 If you see what's happening in, places like Nigeria, it's absolutely absolutely 1043 00:53:43,515 --> 00:53:45,185 mind blowing, how they're using it. 1044 00:53:45,635 --> 00:53:48,065 I didn't even know you could use Bitcoin without the internet. 1045 00:53:48,105 --> 00:53:49,135 I learned it from them. 1046 00:53:49,525 --> 00:53:52,145 When I found out that they can transact without the internet, I'm 1047 00:53:52,155 --> 00:53:53,665 like, hold on a second, really? 1048 00:53:54,085 --> 00:53:55,045 Then I looked into this. 1049 00:53:55,045 --> 00:53:56,555 I'm like, wow. 1050 00:53:56,605 --> 00:54:00,805 This is where, the need, like accentuates the functions and the 1051 00:54:00,805 --> 00:54:05,115 features and things that you've never thought, possible because you need them. 1052 00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:10,705 So when you say, do you think Bitcoin adoption is going to increase 1053 00:54:10,945 --> 00:54:11,985 the security and all that stuff? 1054 00:54:12,095 --> 00:54:15,835 I think absolutely it's going to do because once it becomes valuable and 1055 00:54:15,835 --> 00:54:21,845 becomes like a must have, there's going to be a much bigger army of individuals 1056 00:54:22,175 --> 00:54:24,325 that are going to stand to protect it. 1057 00:54:24,365 --> 00:54:27,345 It's not going to be left to a handful of speculative people 1058 00:54:27,445 --> 00:54:28,495 just to make money off of it. 1059 00:54:28,525 --> 00:54:33,075 No, this becomes, a lifeline, like the oxygen for life for a lot 1060 00:54:33,075 --> 00:54:38,915 of folks and There's going to be an army protecting anyone attempting 1061 00:54:39,665 --> 00:54:43,655 to do anything, to do something nefarious, to risk destroying it. 1062 00:54:43,795 --> 00:54:45,685 I'm 100 percent convinced of this. 1063 00:54:46,255 --> 00:54:50,325 And a hundred years from now, they will look back upon our generation and 1064 00:54:50,325 --> 00:54:54,805 possibly, hail us as the heroes, as, you know, came up with this and, had the 1065 00:54:54,805 --> 00:55:02,095 courage to stand up and put an end to the abuse that's been going on for decades. 1066 00:55:03,163 --> 00:55:04,383 since forever, really. 1067 00:55:04,383 --> 00:55:08,163 I mean, coin clipping has been around since thousands of years. 1068 00:55:08,553 --> 00:55:13,913 Uh, inflation has always been in every monetary system. 1069 00:55:13,923 --> 00:55:17,103 Money needs to have a cost, a production cost. 1070 00:55:17,103 --> 00:55:18,363 Otherwise, it's not money. 1071 00:55:18,413 --> 00:55:19,663 It's bullshit. 1072 00:55:20,563 --> 00:55:21,293 Absolutely. 1073 00:55:21,353 --> 00:55:22,043 Absolutely. 1074 00:55:22,043 --> 00:55:25,803 And even simpler than this, the mere notion that somebody can decide 1075 00:55:26,103 --> 00:55:30,933 how you live your life and how you spend your money, that on its own 1076 00:55:30,943 --> 00:55:35,483 must be completely destroyed and never allowed to exist again, ever. 1077 00:55:36,023 --> 00:55:37,873 It just doesn't make any sense to me 1078 00:55:38,913 --> 00:55:40,073 tell that to a lefty. 1079 00:55:40,423 --> 00:55:46,163 well, you know, obviously a lot of people will disagree with me on that point, but. 1080 00:55:46,803 --> 00:55:50,023 No, but it's such a, it's such a simple thing to understand when 1081 00:55:50,023 --> 00:55:51,143 you really think about it. 1082 00:55:51,223 --> 00:55:55,253 Why is it that other people can decide for you what to do 1083 00:55:55,263 --> 00:55:56,693 with your life and your money? 1084 00:55:56,743 --> 00:55:58,283 Because your money is your life. 1085 00:55:58,313 --> 00:56:01,823 It's supposed to represent the scarcity of your lifetime. 1086 00:56:02,063 --> 00:56:06,113 Your time and effort, your energy, is supposed to be represented by this number. 1087 00:56:06,633 --> 00:56:08,663 And when the number can be printed... 1088 00:56:09,063 --> 00:56:12,993 At will by some, like, it's cheaper to write the word dollar because I 1089 00:56:12,993 --> 00:56:17,563 have to press six keys instead of just pressing enter, which is the 1090 00:56:17,563 --> 00:56:19,503 cost of, of producing new dollars. 1091 00:56:19,803 --> 00:56:23,413 So the word dollar is more expensive than a dollar to produce. 1092 00:56:23,723 --> 00:56:24,063 absolutely, 1093 00:56:24,143 --> 00:56:25,673 that should tell you something. 1094 00:56:27,463 --> 00:56:33,563 absolutely, but the thing is people need to want not to be abused, , some 1095 00:56:33,563 --> 00:56:37,303 people just don't care and it just blows my mind when I see them react 1096 00:56:37,313 --> 00:56:40,813 that way, I try to frame it in a different way for some folks. 1097 00:56:40,813 --> 00:56:44,253 I'm like, if I came up to you every day and beat the shit out of 1098 00:56:44,253 --> 00:56:46,853 you, how long would you accept it? 1099 00:56:49,098 --> 00:56:51,878 Like, , I beat you up on Monday, you go home and you cry. 1100 00:56:51,918 --> 00:56:53,958 I beat you up on Tuesday, you go home and cry. 1101 00:56:54,248 --> 00:56:56,388 For how long are you going to sit there and let me beat you up? 1102 00:56:57,568 --> 00:57:00,358 Well, some people are sadomasochists, uh, 1103 00:57:00,618 --> 00:57:01,068 Okay. 1104 00:57:01,318 --> 00:57:01,968 Okay, fine. 1105 00:57:02,478 --> 00:57:04,768 But, but, but most people aren't right. 1106 00:57:05,098 --> 00:57:06,368 At some point, somebody is going 1107 00:57:06,503 --> 00:57:12,743 people, apparently most people are, I'd say, since they accept the fiat system. 1108 00:57:12,823 --> 00:57:16,603 Well, in the past two, three years, a lot of things have been very surprising, 1109 00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:18,483 but yeah, I guess maybe you're right. 1110 00:57:19,063 --> 00:57:19,803 Maybe you're right. 1111 00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:23,013 And hopefully there's a large amount of people that. 1112 00:57:23,418 --> 00:57:25,488 Stop doing this to make a difference. 1113 00:57:25,518 --> 00:57:28,808 Which I think we just need to get to maybe, I don't know what, 10, 15 percent 1114 00:57:28,838 --> 00:57:34,678 Bitcoin global adoption and the whole thing, just goes nuts after that. 1115 00:57:34,731 --> 00:57:37,821 It'll become so huge, as it is that. 1116 00:57:38,016 --> 00:57:41,636 There's nothing else out there that you want to transact with, you know? 1117 00:57:42,456 --> 00:57:46,316 once you're in it and once you're in these circles and you hang out 1118 00:57:46,356 --> 00:57:50,516 with other Bitcoiners and you see the other side, it becomes blatantly 1119 00:57:50,516 --> 00:57:52,186 obvious that how much better this is. 1120 00:57:52,786 --> 00:57:58,406 It's just like life with or without the internet, but on steroids. 1121 00:57:58,466 --> 00:58:00,466 I mean, it's, it's way bigger than that. 1122 00:58:00,756 --> 00:58:01,926 So yeah. 1123 00:58:02,746 --> 00:58:06,626 Luke, do you have any more questions for, for Tony before we wrap this up? 1124 00:58:07,606 --> 00:58:11,816 Yeah, I, I think, you've given us a great picture of, well, first of 1125 00:58:11,816 --> 00:58:14,106 all, yourself and the Bitcoin way. 1126 00:58:14,116 --> 00:58:17,216 And I just like to hear a little bit about the practical side. 1127 00:58:17,226 --> 00:58:21,546 What happens if someone contacts you and, books a call, uh, 1128 00:58:21,676 --> 00:58:22,686 walk us through the process? 1129 00:58:23,236 --> 00:58:23,516 sure. 1130 00:58:24,236 --> 00:58:27,266 , first of all, we always offer a 30 minute complimentary call. 1131 00:58:27,336 --> 00:58:30,246 It's the first 30 minutes are free just to get to know you, see 1132 00:58:30,246 --> 00:58:32,726 what you want, where you are in this journey, and what have you. 1133 00:58:33,296 --> 00:58:35,836 If, if someone, just to give you an example, someone has absolutely 1134 00:58:35,836 --> 00:58:39,006 nothing, we obviously start with, an educational part, , just to make sure 1135 00:58:39,006 --> 00:58:41,576 that they understand what it is that, they're getting into, what they're 1136 00:58:41,576 --> 00:58:44,796 buying, and it's not something that they're going to buy at x to sell at y. 1137 00:58:44,966 --> 00:58:48,476 It's not why we Bitcoin, there's way more value in this than that. 1138 00:58:49,056 --> 00:58:52,906 Then we get them into stage one is usually a cold wallet. 1139 00:58:52,976 --> 00:58:56,096 We get them set up and configured properly with a cold wallet and, fully air 1140 00:58:56,096 --> 00:59:00,126 gapped, on that sense that we move on to the node, set that up, connect the two 1141 00:59:00,126 --> 00:59:02,206 together, make sure everything's working. 1142 00:59:02,546 --> 00:59:04,956 Set up wallets properly with desktop mobile. 1143 00:59:06,276 --> 00:59:10,456 Once that's complete and understood, we can move on to purchasing no KYC Bitcoin. 1144 00:59:10,466 --> 00:59:13,296 We show them how to do it, because obviously that has its value 1145 00:59:13,296 --> 00:59:14,686 and merits for obvious reasons. 1146 00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:18,086 We also offer inheritance planning afterwards. 1147 00:59:18,606 --> 00:59:21,056 And if they have a business, we help them integrate Bitcoin 1148 00:59:21,056 --> 00:59:22,286 payments into that business. 1149 00:59:22,346 --> 00:59:23,526 And we take it from there. 1150 00:59:23,806 --> 00:59:27,446 But fundamentally, we want to make sure that everyone at the very 1151 00:59:27,446 --> 00:59:30,576 least has a cold wallet, air gapped. 1152 00:59:31,196 --> 00:59:35,456 Connected to a node, which is a must, because if you're not fully sovereign 1153 00:59:35,456 --> 00:59:38,426 or private, if you don't have that node, there's no way around it. 1154 00:59:38,946 --> 00:59:41,936 Without it, you're leaving fingerprints of anything Bitcoin 1155 00:59:41,966 --> 00:59:44,986 that you're doing on somebody else's server, on somebody else's node. 1156 00:59:45,006 --> 00:59:47,396 So what you have, what you buy, where you buy, when you do 1157 00:59:47,396 --> 00:59:49,576 it, there's a trace somewhere. 1158 00:59:49,576 --> 00:59:52,656 If you don't want this, You 100 percent need to know 1159 00:59:52,656 --> 00:59:53,766 there's no other way around it. 1160 00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:55,509 Yeah, excellent. 1161 00:59:55,539 --> 01:00:00,419 And, and so you basically take, your customers from, zero or 1162 01:00:00,419 --> 01:00:02,809 wherever they are to self sovereign. 1163 01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:03,519 That's the goal. 1164 01:00:03,819 --> 01:00:07,119 Yeah, the goal is 100 percent self custody. 1165 01:00:07,659 --> 01:00:11,949 And, sometimes people ask us, do we hold backup keys and all that stuff? 1166 01:00:12,029 --> 01:00:12,859 Right now, we don't. 1167 01:00:13,009 --> 01:00:13,819 We don't do this. 1168 01:00:14,209 --> 01:00:18,629 I want to make sure that you know how to become a sovereign individual. 1169 01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:22,059 I don't think anyone's too stupid to learn. 1170 01:00:22,499 --> 01:00:24,589 They just have to want to take the time. 1171 01:00:25,299 --> 01:00:31,189 To learn, and we spend a lot of time and are very patient in the process, by the 1172 01:00:31,189 --> 01:00:35,819 way, I can sit down with someone for many hours and , it wouldn't faze me one bit. 1173 01:00:36,219 --> 01:00:38,619 I've consulted folks for hours. 1174 01:00:39,084 --> 01:00:43,464 Eight hours a day, on the same person because, they weren't a technical person. 1175 01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:47,924 They had many questions, some of them, many would consider, Oh my 1176 01:00:47,924 --> 01:00:49,504 God, how can you put up with this? 1177 01:00:49,624 --> 01:00:50,094 It's okay. 1178 01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:52,214 Nobody's born knowing everything. 1179 01:00:52,954 --> 01:00:57,324 But at the end of the day, that individual is fully sovereign. 1180 01:00:57,404 --> 01:01:01,064 They know how to send, how to receive an air gapped mode, 1181 01:01:01,194 --> 01:01:03,224 fully secured, fully private. 1182 01:01:04,014 --> 01:01:05,474 And that for me is a win. 1183 01:01:07,135 --> 01:01:07,915 Excellent. 1184 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,460 Well, Tony, thank you very much for coming onto our show and, for all 1185 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,400 everyone listening, go to the bitcoin way.com to find out more, about, how 1186 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,260 to get in touch with Tony and his team. 1187 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,295 And, , hope to continue the conversation. 1188 01:01:23,745 --> 01:01:26,825 Absolutely, it was, thank you for having me, it was a great call. 1189 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,070 Likewise. 1190 01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:31,260 And, anything else you'd like to mention, any final thoughts anywhere else 1191 01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:32,950 you'd like to direct our listeners to? 1192 01:01:33,485 --> 01:01:36,365 Well, if anybody wants to find me, I'm very active on Twitter. 1193 01:01:36,415 --> 01:01:41,525 You can use my Twitter handle, the V4BTC, which stands for Victory for Bitcoin, or 1194 01:01:41,525 --> 01:01:45,415 the BitcoinWay, obviously, the BitcoinWay Twitter handle, we're also very active 1195 01:01:45,415 --> 01:01:46,965 there, the BitcoinWay underscore. 1196 01:01:47,575 --> 01:01:52,045 So, if you have any questions with regards to Bitcoin self custody, 1197 01:01:52,065 --> 01:01:55,655 security measures, best practices, tips, tricks, and all that stuff, 1198 01:01:55,705 --> 01:01:57,945 Feel free to reach out anytime. 1199 01:01:58,295 --> 01:01:58,955 Happy to help. 1200 01:01:59,689 --> 01:02:00,309 Sounds great. 1201 01:02:00,565 --> 01:02:03,705 thanks again for joining us, Tony, and looking forward to 1202 01:02:03,715 --> 01:02:07,065 following everything you're up to and going on this journey with you. 1203 01:02:07,825 --> 01:02:08,535 you very much. 1204 01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:11,100 onwards and upwards. 1205 01:02:12,645 --> 01:02:14,835 This has been the Freedom Footprint Show, thanks for listening. 1206 01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:17,460 So what did you think of that episode with Tony? 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